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Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Mar 13, 2006 at 10:28

i thought i'd have got some response by now. i thought you would have asked me some questions on my comments because there were many things about which i didnt give complete information and i have some more replies to your comments.

"Modern embryology breaks it down into as many as 14 stages, although any number, depending on how specific or general, can be used. Embryos develope slowly over time, so there is no clear cut defining point that can be called a new stage."

in your first comment titled i agree u said:"... Any ancient midwife, let alone Medeival midwife, would know that there are three stages in embryonic development."
So wot should i believe?

""Surely the Sun does not move,"
it does.

"but the earth moves around it"
i know

"Sounds like Egyptian animism"
nope

" The Earth moves around the Sun"
i know

" the Sun does not move"
it does"

The sun moves and drags the whole solar system with it. the path of the sun is called the Solar Apex(also the sun completes 1 rotation every 25 days). when u look at a small section of the suns movement at teh solar apex, its a curve,a lot like the movement your head will make wen u prostrate before Allah.
learn more about the suns movement here:http://www.sunorbit.net/

An u think that the crusades were political

Here the popes speach given in 1095:
"For you must hasten to carry aid to your brethren dwelling in the East, who need your help, which they have often asked. For the Turks, a Persian people, have attacked them I exhort you with earnest prayer - not I, but God - that, as heralds of Christ, you urge men by frequent exhortation, men of all ranks, knights as well as foot soldiers, rich as well as poor, to hasten to exterminate this vile race from the lands of your brethren Christ commands it. And if those who set out thither should lose their lives on the way by land, or in crossing the sea, or in fighting the pagans, their sins shall be remitted. Oh what a disgrace, if a race so despised, base, and the instrument of demons, should so overcome a people endowed with faith in the all-powerful God, and resplendent with the name of Christ. Let those who have been accustomed to make private war against the faithful carry on to a successful issue a war against the infidels. Let those who for a long time have been robbers now become soldiers of Christ. Let those who fought against brothers and relatives now fight against these barbarians. Let them zealously undertake the journey under the guidance of the Lord."*

Notice that the pope himself admits how corrupted the christians were;"those who have been accustomed to make private war against the faithful" "Let those who for a long time have been robbers".
Prostitution and the subjagation of women was common in christian societies.
The pope conveniently forgot to mention that the muslims were freeing the opressed ppl. and the barbarians were christians themselves

"Foreigners who are aggressive, ignorant, barbaric and unwelcome. Foreigners who are forever advocating their way of life and prepared to advocate it by brawling and fighting; foreigners with embarrassing and uncouth manners. Are we talking of Muslim immigrants as seen by Europeans in the late twentieth century? No. These are Europeans almost a thousand years ago in the Muslim lands of the Middle East. They came as individuals and as armies and as soldiers of fortune.

Muslims were not their only target; local Christians and Jews were also among their victims. In one instance their behavior plumbed new depths. It was in the St. Sophia church in Istanbul. They violated women, drank, and stripped the church bare. An eyewitness of the fourth Crusade was horrified: 'I Geoffrey de Ville Hardouin, Martial of the court of Champagne, am sure that since the creation of the universe, a plundering worse than this has not been witnessed' (Efe 1987: 18). Compare this to Mehmet the conqueror's entry when, with humility and awe, he fell to his knees, taking the dust from the floor and wiping it on his turban as an act of devotion (Efe 1987). Christians here have a saying: 'Better the turban of a Turk than the tiara of the Pope.'

As for the unfortunate Jews, they would be massacred by the Christians on their way to the Crusades and massacred by them on their way back from the Crusades. Not surprisingly Muslims thought that here was a civilization doomed to barbarism and backwardness for ever"**

"As conquerors [Muslims], their heroism was equaled only by their moderation, and in both, for a time, they excelled the nations with whom they contended. Severed from their native homes, they loved the land given them as they supposed by Allah and strove to embellish it with everything that could administer to the happiness of man. Laying the foundations of their power in a system of wise and equitable laws, diligently cultivating the arts and sciences, and promoting agriculture, manufactures and commerce, they gradually formed an empire unrivaled for its prosperity by any of the empires of Christendom . . .

"The cities of Arabian Spain became the resort of Christian artisans, to instruct themselves in the useful art. The Universities of Toledo, Cordova, Seville, Granada, were sought by the pale student from lands to acquaint himself with the sciences of the Arabs and the treasure lore of antiquity."***

"1098 The Crusaders take Edessa and then Antioch, and triumph over a Muslim rescue army commanded by Karbuqa, ruler of Mosul. The incident of cannibalism by the crusaders in Maarra.
"For three days they put people to the sword, killig more than a hundred thousand people and taking many prisoners." (Ibn al-Athir)
"In Maarra our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking pots; they impaled children on spits and devoured them grilled." (Radulph of Caen)****


*[August C. Krey, The First Crusade: The Accounts of Eye Witnesses and Participants (Gloucester, Massachusetts: Peter Smith, 1958)]
**(Akbar S. Ahmed, Living Islam p. 64)
***(Washington W. Irving, Tales Of The Alhambra p.52)
****(The Crusades Through Arab Eyes by Amin Maalouf, translated by Jon Rothschild, 1984. Al Saqi Books, 26 Wetbourne Grove, London W2.)
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