To Tariq the Rightly-Guided Muslim
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jan 23, 2006 at 16:59Tariq : there is no such thing as a radical muslim. the ppl whom u call radical muslims are actually hypocrites. they are not muslims. they only distort the message of Islam to justify their cause.
Ianus : Shall I treat your statement as a fatwa ..."?
Tariq : no. wot i said was not a fatwa. it was a fact which you are not prepared to face. u have so much hatred and intolerance tht u cant accept facts. This is a fact: there is no such thing as a radical muslim. the ppl whom u call radical muslims are actually hypocrites. they are not muslims. they only distort the message of Islam to justify their cause.
Ianus : Hm... A Muslim as a Muslim is ALWAYS right and if he says something he makes it into a "fact"... If he says it twice this "fact" becomes a "theonomical fact"...I am a damned kaffir...I should have known that before! ... Islamic logic at its best!... Credo non quia absurdum, sed quia Islamicum!
Tariq : Islam comes from the word salam, which means peace.
Ianus : If so then "Muslim" must mean a "peacemaker" !
"Islam" means "submission" and the Arabic for "peace" is "salam". The word "salam"(as 'peace', 'greeting') is used 42 times in the Quran without any connection with Islam. What is true is only the fact that both words belong to the same root (S-L-M) as other words do with as distant meaning as "the stinging of a snake" and "the tanning of the leather'.
Tariq : i dont know exactly wot it means but i have a very good Idea of what you re trying to say.
Ianus: Having a very good idea about something without knowing what it means sounds like 'I understand you but I don't know what you mean'.
Tariq : Anyways, youre wrong. moderate muslims ARE the true muslims because you dont just become a muslim by saying tht youre a muslim. You have to do wot the Quran says. terrorists like Osama, Saddam and the taleban are not. Muslims. they are not following the Quran. they are doing everything against it. I m sure they will burn in hell.
Ianus : I will wait for your answer to Vinodgupt whose apt examples and arguments I have no right to paste here to counter your self-proclaimed "facts".
Tariq (quoting Ianus) : "Pay the jizya and live on a year otherwise I stop being a moderate Muslim, kaffirs"
Is this written anywhere in the Quran???
Ianus : Let's say a paraphrase of 9.029 ("Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.") ...otherwise a small bland talk heard in a provincial Pakistani town...
Tariq (quoting Ianus) : "I don't believe it ..."
why not? I was just giving u the facts.
Ianus : Ah, again "facts"... I feel myself subdued by them.
Tariq (quoting Ianus) : "I don't care much about beliefs and faiths"
I dont care about ur beliefs either. but your beliefs about Islam are wrong so im just correcting you.
Ianus : I see ... the overwhelming 'facts' are against me...
Tariq (quoting Ianus) : "I have read the "Holy" Quran and other reliable sources to corroborate the statement"
which sources are reliable and which are not is debatable. But one thing tht is reliable is the Holy Quran.
Ianus : I dare make this "fact" debatable.
Tariq : Plz tell me the chapter number and verse number of the Holy Quran to prove tht im wrong.
Ianus : I refer you to Vinodgupt's posts....To change the gravity of our conversation... How about showing us the moderate Allah , the absolute ideal for alll moderate Muslims of all times ?
E.g. "The curse of Allah is on disbelievers."--2:89 Truly moderate and merciful ! Allah might simply have prevented the disbelievers from coming into being! ...No, he couldn't do this. He would have get confused in his own pre-established reality...If He had just forgotten to give birth to the disbelievers, he would have had to give up the idea of giving birth to His beloved Muslims...
Or 4:56 ( to omit more sadistic verses illustrating Allah's exemplary moderacy.)
Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment."
Truly, moderate ! You're a kaffir or a hypocrite, you go to hell, you burn, you lose your skin and hope your burning is over soon... But lo! a new load of skins arrives from the 7th heaven at the gate of the respective hell you're in! You're asked into a cloakroom for skinless you try a few on and then if it fits you put on a new skin and then your burning spree recommences ...How lovely! Damn ! I am sure I'll enjoy it! I want to go to hell!...I'm only curious about spare bones and spare muscles and spare bowels ? ... Are they also freely provided by Allah the Moderate?
Tariq : "There is a very good website the www.thereligionofpeace.com I encourage you to visit it to see some relevant statistics and facts"
I hav already visited this website. and its useless. its not even totally correct
Ianus : I see ... no Islamic "facts" ...just "useless (...) not even totally correct" mischief !
PS Tell me why although Allah is only One and without a companion He constantly uses "we" in His monologues? ... He seems unaware that there are not two or three Allahs in the universe. Or it's another vile of His to tempt His Muslims into shirk or Muhamamd just misquoted Gibrail or is it a sign of Allah's nascent schizophrenia and His heretical leanings ?
He seems to become moderate to the point of of accepting His own plurality...
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