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To Raqib: continuation of reply, French school teaching etc.
Reader comment on article: The Pope and the Koran in response to reader comment: Fact not self beleive
Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates) , Dec 23, 2006 at 05:59
This is continuation to the post on Banu Quraiza
Pg. 97:
You said:
"Let me tell you something, in France school students were taught that the author of Holy Qur'an is Muhammad. However in my country where muslim percenteage is highest, never taught our children that the author of Bible is the Scholars of Constantine ." I have no clue about what is taught in French schools. I accept that in your country children are not taught that the author of the Bible is the scholars of Constantine. But on the assumption that you are from Pakistan (even if you are not, read on, it is very interesting) let me show you from a Pakistani source what Pakistani children are taught. They are taken from the study "The Subtle Subversion, The state curricula and Textbook in Pakistan" by A.H.Nayyar and Ahmad Salim, published by the Sustainable Development Policy Institute. Search the web for the entire 154 page study. Here are some excerpts: (Underlining, emphasis mine)
Paving the Way: Germinating hate
The objects of hate in Pakistani educational material are Hindus and India
Curriculum documents state the following as the specific learning objectives:
[The child should be able to] understand the Hindu and Muslim differences andthe resultant need for Pakistan
189
Hindu-Muslim Differences in Culture, .. India's evil designs against Pakistan (thethree wars with India)
190
Identify the events in relation to Hindu-Muslim differences, which laid thefoundations for Pakistan
191
The textbooks then respond in the following way to the above curriculum instructions
Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.
192The religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things -- Hindus did notrespect women...193Hindus worship in temples which are very narrow and dark places, where theyworship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time. In our mosques,on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together.194
Muslim children of India wear shalwar kameez or shirt and pajama and Hinduchildren wear Dhoti also.
195
The Hindu Lived in Small and dark houses.
196
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History
Several authors have identified how the writing of history in Pakistan has beensystematically distorted to foster an artificial identity and ideology. The entire focus of this effort is directed towards proving the historical differences, enmities and differences betweenMuslims and Hindus and the righteousness of the Muslims as opposed to the cunning,deceit and cruelty of Hindus. A further objective is to establish in the child's mind that there has never been any period of amity or intermingling between the peoples of these religions since that is to be made the basis for justifying the demand for Pakistan.
To establish this identity history was rewritten to omit entire epochs of our past. For instance the textbooks written till 1961 contained detailed accounts of the ancient Hindu mythology and the Hindu and Buddhist dynasties that ruled the area which is now Pakistan. However, later textbooks entirely omit these ancient periods (e.g. Mauriya dynasty, Ashoka, etc.) while some make a brief reference to the Buddhist period (See e.g. Social Studies, Class-VI). This omission of a very important period of the history of this land besides being intellectually dishonest has had the effect, probably deliberate, of inculcating in children a sense of alienation from their Hindu neighbors in India as if we have never been part of a common history or sharedhistorical experience.
After some brief descriptions of ancient societies (Moen Jo Daro and Harrappa , pre-Hindu) history makes an abrupt jump to the advent of Muslims (Mohammed Bin Qasim). In an attempt to present Muslims as always acting for noble purposes and not motivated by desires of conquest and domination, the Arab's conflict with the rulers of Sindh is presented as a response to the attack on a pilgrim ship.
This selective portrayal hides the many previous attacks by the Arabs on the Makran-Baluchistan area which were repulsed by the local rulers. There is no attempt to link these conflicts with the actual political and economic motivations e.g. the control of trade routes, expansion of empires etc. that were prevalent in that period.
By omitting a critical and honest discussion of these factors and by glorifying and romanticizing these conquests the student is deprived of learning about the forces and dynamics that shape history, in particular those that have shaped the destiny of our own land. Somewhat similar comments can be made with regard to the advent of later Muslim rulers such as Mahmud Ghaznavi, Mohammad Ghauri and later on the Mughals and finally Ahmad Shah Abdali. Rather than discuss objectively the motivations behind the invasions and the reasons why the invading powers were in general able to subdue local resistance, all these events are covered under the panoply of Islam versus Hinduism. The triumph of every adventurer becomes the triumph and glory of Islam.
Pg. 64:
Early Studies
In his brilliant study Murder of History in Pakistani Textbooks, K.K. Aziz has provided the reader with the major inaccuracies, distortions, exaggerations and slants to be found in each officially prepared and prescribed textbook and in a representative selection of private commercial publications which are in wide use as textbooks. In his thorough and fascinating dissection of 66 Pakistan Studies and History textbooks, he has compiled an extensive list of the errors they contain. The eight categories of these errors open our eyes to the various ways, in which history has been manipulated, polluted, ill-used and trampled over.
He has not only identified these errors, but has also tried to correct them. For instance, he quoted the following statement from a textbook:
"After the partition of the subcontinent the Hindus and Sikhs started a properly
planned campaign of exploiting the Muslims generally in the whole of Bharat and
particularly in East Punjab as a result of which the Hindu and Sikh enemies of
mankind killed and dishonoured thousands, nay hundreds of thousands of
women, children, the old and the young with extreme cruelty and heartlessness."
Aziz's reply is
1947; Muslims also killed and raped and looted wherever they had the
opportunity."
: "the Hindus and Sikhs were not the only aggressors in the riots of160
Rubina Saigol's analysis of Pakistani educational policies and curriculum reveals the way in which the nation states' ideologies are realised in actual textual practice
The governments may have changed over time, but the state rhetoric has remained fundamentally the same, although it has made adjustments according to the needs of a particular time. The best example is Zia's Islamization. However, the argument here is that Islamization served essentially the same purpose for Zia, which the ideology of national development served for Ayub or the rhetoric of socialism for Bhutto.
The purpose was state legitimisation for capital expansion and consolidation. Mubarak Ali, A. H. Nayyar, Khurshid Hasanain, Pervez Hoodbhoy and Tariq Rahman have also looked into the distortion in History and Social Studies textbooks. For Tariq Rahman, history is mutilated in Pakistan's textbooks to construct a mind-set that serves the broader polities of state. Young and impressionable minds are impregnated with seeds of hatred to serve the self-styled ideological strait-jacket:
161. In her words, this led to an exploration of the translation of official policies into action at the level of text production. The subtle but significant differences between the Ayub, Bhutto and Zia era education policies do appear in the curriculum, although there is an immense overlap which lends credence to the argument that Pakistan has remained essentially a military state even during ostensibly civilian rule.
"The state's major objectives - creating nationalism and support for the military -
are attained by repeating a few basic messages in all the books. First, the non-
159 Ayesha Jalal, "Conjuring Pakistan: History as official Imagination", International journal of Middle East
Studies, 27, 1995,
pp. 73-89
160 K.K. Aziz, Murder of History in Pakistan, Lahore, 1993
161 Rubina Saigol, Knowledge and Identity: Articulation of Gender in Educational Discourse in Pakistan, ASR,
Pg. 39:
Urging the Students to Take the Path of
Jehad and Shahadat
The themes of
Learning Outcome: Recognize the importance of
Jehad and Shahadat clearly distinguish the pre- and post-1979 educational contents. There was no mention of these in the pre-Islamization period curricula and textbooks, and the post-1979 curricula and textbooks openly eulogize Jehad and Shahadat and urge students to become mujahids and martyrs. The following examples illustrate the point.Jehad in every sphere of life116
Learning outcome: Must be aware of the blessings of
Jehad117
Must be aware of the blessings of
heart.
Jehad, and must create yearning for Jehad in his118
Concept:
Jehad; Affective objective: Aspiration for Jehad119
Love and aspiration for
Jehad, Tableegh (Prosyletization), Jehad, Shahadat
Insensitivity to the Religious Diversity of the Nation
(martyrdom), sacrifice,
ghazi (the victor in holy wars), shaheed (martyr), …120
Simple stories to urge for
Jehad121
Activity 4: To make speeches on
Jehad and Shahadat122
To make speeches on
Jehad123
Evaluation: To judge their spirits while making speeches on
Muslim History and Culture
Jehad,124
Concepts:
Jehad, Amar bil Maroof and Nahi Anil Munkar125
Importance of
Jehad126
Affective objective:Concepts of Ideology of Pakistan, Muslim
Ummah and
Jehad
127
Stories: eight lessons; Folk tales (mythical, moral, Islamic, travel and
adventure,
How do you think this compares with what you say are taught to French children. What is so humungously dangerous about French students being taught that Muhammad was the author of the Koran. It may sound like a mind-bogglingy horrendous crime to you, if your tone is anything to go by, but to the rest of humanity it is inconseqential.
But what kind of mind set do you think Pakistani children will have when they finish their education. Would you let your children be educated in a school where the curricula spews hatred of another religious group? And if you are in Pakistan will you give me an honest answer to this question: If you have children have you examined what they are taught in their classes?
About Karen Armstrong. Since you seem to place great faith in Karen Armstrong as I said in my last post read what she had to say about what happened to the Banu Quraiza.
Warm regards
Plato
Jehad)128 Again, the repetition illustrates how insistent the curricula are on the inclusion ofmaterial on jehad and shahadat in textbooks and in classroom teaching. , reflecting boththe perceived sense of insecurity from an ‘enemy' country, and an attempt to define one'snational identity in relation to the ‘other'. The first serves the military and the second thepolitical Islamists.
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[71 words] Reply to difference between Muslims and Christianity Sep 16, 2006 04:20 ↔ is Islam a peaceful religion? [32 words] paul barnes Sep 16, 2006 20:00 ↔ Islam is a Peaceful Religion...... [866 words] Zedine Laiq Sep 17, 2006 07:30 ↔ The real prayer... [113 words] John of the Cross Sep 18, 2006 18:12 ↔ Response to the origin of the word "Christianity" [59 words] Rajesh Sep 19, 2006 02:38 ↔ I'm not sure what you mean. [616 words] Sandra Sep 19, 2006 17:17 ↔ I mean Islam is really a Peaceful Religion...... [337 words] Zedine Laiq Sep 20, 2006 14:54 ↔ I've got questions Zedine [727 words] Lactantius Jr. Dec 20, 2006 17:14 ↔ Reply (1) to your several questions [6841 words] Zedine Jan 3, 2007 14:08 ↔ "The Whole truth, the plain truth and nothing but the truth" [569 words] Lactantius Jr Jan 4, 2007 18:44 ↔ "Can 'real' Muslims be terrorists?" [1096 words] Lactantius Jr. Jan 5, 2007 09:07 ↔ To Mr. Zedine about Muslim tolerance etc. [1964 words] Plato Jan 6, 2007 06:12 ↔ Here is my final reply to your questions [5472 words] Zedine Jan 6, 2007 11:55 ↔ To Zedine about final reply - 1 [916 words] Plato Jan 7, 2007 23:34 ↔ To Zedine - continuation to your final reply - II [1162 words] Plato Jan 7, 2007 23:36 ↔ Is the Islam of Muhammad peaceful and peaceloving? what do the Islamic sources say Zedine? [2083 words] Lactantius Jr. Jan 9, 2007 18:35 For Christians who think that cartoons are ok [72 words]tariq Mar 21, 2006 11:15 ↔ Tariq, Bad Mouthing Christ And Christians Is Nothing New [54 words] AnneM Apr 24, 2006 17:22 ↔ to AnneM [122 words] tariq Apr 26, 2006 11:15 ↔ It Is Going To Suprise You That Six Nations In The Middle East Are Allowing "The DaVinci Code " Movie To Be Shown [104 words] AnneM May 16, 2006 13:47 ↔ To AnneM [246 words] Saladin May 18, 2006 02:02 ↔ Saladin, There Is A Very Big Difference [210 words] AnneM May 20, 2006 09:22 ↔ Blood of Jesus [21 words] Saladin May 21, 2006 04:09 ↔ why God forgives you... [70 words] Naomi Aug 23, 2006 07:01 ↔ Naomi [81 words] Saladin Aug 25, 2006 10:50 ↔ Why God forgives you. [33 words] Paul Barnes Sep 12, 2006 11:03 ↔ Criticism of religion is paramount [139 words] Charlotte May 2, 2007 01:07 This discussion board [161 words]Jordan Mar 13, 2006 13:32 ↔ jordan...i agree [65 words] ahmad zafire Mar 13, 2006 19:36 ↔ I agree as well... [226 words] Joe Mar 14, 2006 13:48 ↔ I concur too [25 words] jeffreyb Mar 14, 2006 15:10 ↔ i agree...jew, christian, islam [32 words] ahmad zafire Mar 14, 2006 17:14 ↔ To Jeffrey: Koran is contrary to the Bible [62 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 14, 2006 17:53 ↔ To lion heart [68 words] jeffreyb Mar 14, 2006 23:18 ↔ To lion heart [307 words] jeffreyb Mar 15, 2006 01:29 ↔ Lion Heart has really got a lion heart! [11 words] Octavio Johanson Mar 15, 2006 04:20 ↔ to Jordan [471 words] tariq Mar 15, 2006 07:52 ↔ Ten Commandments- There is the Truth for All to see! [190 words] AnswerThis! Mar 15, 2006 14:21 ↔ More TRUTH [484 words] jeffreyb Mar 15, 2006 15:12 ↔ Capital Punishment in the Bible, and Misinterpretation [516 words] Joe Mar 15, 2006 16:35 ↔ The commanments of the Lord Jesus [287 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 15, 2006 18:12 ↔ Re: Answer This! [172 words] jaleel Mar 15, 2006 23:16 ↔ Hypocrisy? [89 words] jeffreyb Mar 16, 2006 19:09 ↔ To Jaleel [68 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 16, 2006 19:25 ↔ lion heart [157 words] ahmad zafire Mar 16, 2006 22:01 ↔ Jeffrey, thou shalt not kill in the name of allah [239 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 17, 2006 15:57 ↔ to jeffreyb [71 words] tariq Mar 18, 2006 07:44 ↔ to joe: Misinterpretation? [43 words] tariq Mar 18, 2006 07:49 ↔ Huh? [178 words] Jbar Mar 18, 2006 11:37 ↔ To Jbar [80 words] jeffreyb Mar 18, 2006 18:09 ↔ To tariq [153 words] jeffreyb Mar 18, 2006 18:33 ↔ To Jbar: more about sin [209 words] jeffreyb Mar 18, 2006 19:25 ↔ Ahmad: Misinterpretations again [373 words] Joe Mar 19, 2006 18:15 ↔ Jesus [308 words] Joe Mar 20, 2006 15:10 ↔ Lion heart; Get educated [185 words] B. Mustapha Mar 29, 2006 06:26 ↔ Joe; TRUE REPENTANCE is enough [145 words] B. Mustapha Mar 29, 2006 07:07 ↔ Mustafa you need to learn history [161 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 30, 2006 23:08 ↔ More Education Lion Heart [241 words] B. Mustapha Mar 31, 2006 06:44 ↔ Mustapha you need a dictionary [424 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 31, 2006 17:54 ↔ ahmad zafire's comment [95 words] old man Apr 22, 2006 17:46 ↔ No Contradictions To Be Found In The Bible [33 words] AnneM Apr 24, 2006 12:04 ↔ Bible and Koran [135 words] Ann Apr 27, 2006 17:44 ↔ ... [89 words] Zara May 7, 2006 12:30 ↔ thou haven't learned from our last encounter [7 words] Saladin May 10, 2006 09:40 ↔ I defeated you Saladin the last time we met [14 words] Richard Lion heart May 12, 2006 13:42 ↔ You wish! [163 words] Saladin May 12, 2006 16:34 ↔ Let me correct you [125 words] Richard Lion heart May 14, 2006 23:47 ↔ Ignorance of Christianity [151 words] Octavio Johanson May 15, 2006 02:51 ↔ Truth of the matter [347 words] Saladin May 15, 2006 10:41 ↔ Jesus...the man/the son of God... [307 words] Lindsey Jun 3, 2006 02:16 ↔ Lindsey, for there are three who bear record in the heaven... [14 words] Saladin Jun 4, 2006 10:20 ↔ To Saladin [8 words] Lindsey Jun 8, 2006 12:02 ↔ Lindsey, Let me explain... [150 words] Saladin Jun 9, 2006 00:27 ↔ The death of God [191 words] Calvin Smith Aug 21, 2006 12:25 ↔ Ten Commandments-there is the truth for all to see [18 words] Paul Barnes Sep 12, 2006 11:07 ↔ Questions [107 words] Paul Barnes Sep 12, 2006 11:35 ↔ Split among Muslims [172 words] tttedison Sep 15, 2006 17:01 ↔ Is the God of Muslims a terrorist? [150 words] paul barnes Sep 16, 2006 19:20 ↔ "if Jesus commanded it Muslims follow it" [133 words] Paul S. Barnes Nov 28, 2006 12:23 ↔ 100% right! [159 words] Muhammad Fikri Jan 17, 2007 00:21 ↔ ten commandments [128 words] Rendrea Mar 16, 2008 19:17 how all good muslims feel....not islamist there's a difference [346 words]ahmad zafire Mar 5, 2006 21:01 ↔ To ahmad [31 words] jeffreyb Mar 6, 2006 01:19 ↔ I am with you [220 words] Richard Sep 18, 2006 05:13 To Ahmad [18 words]Lisa Mar 4, 2006 22:45 ↔ lisa [278 words] ahmad zafire Mar 6, 2006 02:37 ↔ Sorry for you Ahmad [206 words] Lisa Mar 6, 2006 16:52 ↔ To Zafire: A few question [108 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 6, 2006 21:30 ↔ Please leave Ahmed alone! [64 words] B. Mustapha Mar 7, 2006 06:56 ↔ lisa [91 words] ahmad zafire Mar 7, 2006 07:58 ↔ lion heart [316 words] ahmad zafire Mar 7, 2006 08:21 ↔ lisa [69 words] ahmad zafire Mar 7, 2006 10:56 ↔ To Zafire: You need to read revelation [453 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 7, 2006 23:49 ↔ Dear Ahmad Zafire [391 words] Lisa Mar 8, 2006 00:45 ↔ Islam does NOT believe in all holy books [208 words] Lisa Mar 8, 2006 01:12 ↔ The new covenant [354 words] jeffreyb Mar 8, 2006 03:14 ↔ you people still dont get it..lion heart [193 words] ahmad zafire Mar 8, 2006 09:44 ↔ lisa [304 words] ahmad zafire Mar 8, 2006 10:05 ↔ To Jeffrey: The new convenent [537 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 8, 2006 16:49 ↔ Sins are justified? [120 words] jeffreyb Mar 8, 2006 22:49 ↔ lisa [51 words] ahmad zafire Mar 9, 2006 00:02 ↔ lisa [247 words] ahmad zafire Mar 9, 2006 00:28 ↔ To Jeffrey: only the blood Jesus and repentance [352 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 9, 2006 19:42 ↔ To lion heart [70 words] jeffreyb Mar 10, 2006 18:48 ↔ To Jeffrey: denouncing Muhammad is duty [274 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 12, 2006 14:05 ↔ lion [121 words] ahmad zafire Mar 13, 2006 00:40 ↔ To lion heart [242 words] jeffreyb Mar 13, 2006 02:47 ↔ Richard [262 words] B. Mustapha Mar 13, 2006 08:51 ↔ Questions [407 words] Joe Mar 13, 2006 17:12 ↔ To Jeffrey: outlandish claims [433 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 14, 2006 01:13 ↔ joe [98 words] ahmad zafire Mar 14, 2006 07:10 ↔ lion...then what prophets is christ talking about?........ [345 words] ahmad zafire Mar 14, 2006 17:54 ↔ To Zafire: That prophet is Jesus not Muhammad [420 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 15, 2006 01:09 ↔ Islam & other holy books [298 words] B. Mustapha Mar 15, 2006 05:57 ↔ To lion heart [88 words] jeffreyb Mar 15, 2006 14:30 ↔ More Questions [281 words] Joe Mar 15, 2006 16:58 ↔ To Jeffrey: don't deny God's words [51 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 15, 2006 18:01 ↔ To lion heart [198 words] jeffreyb Mar 16, 2006 18:33 ↔ A new world order... [424 words] Mark Mar 17, 2006 13:10 ↔ To Jeffrey: That was a mediocre play on words [239 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 17, 2006 16:14 ↔ To lion heart [101 words] jeffreyb Mar 17, 2006 16:51 ↔ To mark [60 words] jeffreyb Mar 17, 2006 19:10 ↔ That's another mediocre analysis jeffrey [130 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 19, 2006 23:47 ↔ The Ten Commandments [185 words] Octavio Johanson Mar 20, 2006 09:45 ↔ tut tut tut [438 words] trekyteky Sep 19, 2006 13:07 Jeffery and his new religeon [217 words]Lisa Mar 4, 2006 22:13 ↔ To Lisa [194 words] jeffreyb Mar 4, 2006 23:31 ↔ Repentance is not optional [161 words] jeffreyb Mar 5, 2006 00:22 ↔ to lisa [227 words] tariq Mar 5, 2006 07:06 ↔ lisa [494 words] ahmad zafire Mar 5, 2006 11:00 ↔ lisa [35 words] ahmad zafire Mar 5, 2006 11:04 ↔ To Jeffrey: God's message is Jesus not Muhammad [183 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 5, 2006 23:50 ↔ To Tariq: Muhammad was slave holder [378 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 6, 2006 00:27 ↔ God's Message to ALL [157 words] Jeffreyb Mar 6, 2006 01:06 ↔ Jesus' Message to ALL [243 words] jeffreyb Mar 7, 2006 23:05 ↔ Mohammed's Message to ALL [85 words] jeffreyb Mar 7, 2006 23:22 ↔ What is God waiting on? [42 words] jeffreyb Mar 8, 2006 23:06 ↔ to richard [1349 words] tariq Mar 12, 2006 11:03 Thank you Joe [44 words]Lisa Feb 28, 2006 14:02 ↔ Thank you Lisa [62 words] Joe Mar 1, 2006 16:04 Comparing Christianity with Islam [33 words]S. R. Feb 27, 2006 08:52 ↔ my 2 pennies... [99 words] jeffreyb Feb 27, 2006 21:08 ↔ Another verse on trinity in the bible to jeffreyb [101 words] Lisa Feb 27, 2006 21:36 ↔ To jeffreyb [319 words] Lisa Feb 28, 2006 13:42 ↔ To Lisa [105 words] jeffreyb Feb 28, 2006 15:28 ↔ To Jeffrey: You can be a heretic if you choose to [552 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 28, 2006 16:21 ↔ To lion heart [91 words] jeffreyb Feb 28, 2006 17:56 ↔ jeffreyb, common sense please [45 words] Lisa Feb 28, 2006 17:59 ↔ To Lisa [27 words] jeffreyb Mar 1, 2006 01:31 ↔ Jeffery... [287 words] Joe Mar 1, 2006 13:44 ↔ Easiness of Christianity versus that of Islam: to Jeffery [660 words] Joe Mar 1, 2006 14:38 ↔ Sorry jeffreyb [143 words] Lisa Mar 1, 2006 15:26 ↔ To Joe [287 words] jeffreyb Mar 1, 2006 16:33 ↔ jefferey b [146 words] ahmad zafire Mar 2, 2006 02:21 ↔ To ahmad zafire [762 words] Joe Mar 2, 2006 18:33 ↔ jefferyb [192 words] Joe Mar 2, 2006 19:05 ↔ To Zafire: Do research first [168 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 2, 2006 20:12 ↔ To ahmad [229 words] jeffreyb Mar 2, 2006 21:16 ↔ Gnosticism in Greece, Influence on Christianity, and refutation [362 words] Joe Mar 3, 2006 11:58 ↔ lion heart [88 words] ahmad zafire Mar 3, 2006 12:25 ↔ jefferyb [152 words] ahmad zafire Mar 3, 2006 12:42 ↔ To Zafire: The false prophets [251 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 3, 2006 16:14 ↔ To ahmad [371 words] jeffreyb Mar 4, 2006 01:02 ↔ about the crucifixion [355 words] jeffreyb Mar 4, 2006 01:54 ↔ The Angel Gabriel [297 words] jeffreyb Mar 4, 2006 04:52 ↔ lion heart [251 words] ahmad zafire Mar 4, 2006 07:50 ↔ To Jeffrey: Contrast between Bible Jesus and Koran Jesus [623 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 4, 2006 14:11 ↔ Are you sure it was Gabriel? [255 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 4, 2006 15:30 ↔ lion [316 words] ahmad zafire Mar 4, 2006 21:30 ↔ Gabriel again [235 words] Joe Mar 5, 2006 15:28 ↔ S R [107 words] ahmad zafire Mar 6, 2006 11:12 ↔ To ahmad [166 words] jeffreyb Mar 6, 2006 21:51 ↔ lion heart [25 words] ahmad zafire Mar 6, 2006 22:20 ↔ To Jeffrey: There is no salvation in allah [413 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 7, 2006 13:51 ↔ Muhammad is not a false prophet [18 words] Sohail Jun 26, 2006 10:25 ↔ Son of Man [648 words] EBratton Jul 25, 2006 03:32 ↔ Question [47 words] Dave Aug 18, 2006 12:58 ↔ Trinity [90 words] chris Aug 13, 2007 03:36 ↔ Kaneh bosm [16 words] Garry Minor Aug 29, 2007 16:14 scientific facts???? [311 words]MOHAMMAD Feb 19, 2006 18:30 ↔ scientific "facts" Mohammad? [311 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 20, 2006 02:19 ↔ to richard [94 words] tariq Mar 5, 2006 07:42 ↔ Awake; Richard the Lion heart [222 words] B. Mustapha Mar 9, 2006 08:26 ↔ To Mustafa: Do you dip flies in your drinks? [269 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 9, 2006 19:56 ↔ To Richard Lion heart [234 words] B. Mustapha Mar 10, 2006 03:45 ↔ To Mustapha: Muhammad was not hygienic [221 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 11, 2006 13:59 ↔ to richard [1085 words] tariq Mar 12, 2006 11:59 ↔ tariq don't deny the truth with pseudo science [381 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 13, 2006 01:55 ↔ to richard [437 words] tariq Mar 14, 2006 06:41 ↔ eating flies [120 words] dood Sep 15, 2006 23:09 About Jesus [51 words]tariq Feb 19, 2006 07:54 ↔ tariq in the quranland [15 words] Italian Feb 19, 2006 15:54 ↔ Tariq quotes the Bible and believes what it says inspite of the fact that his Allah says it is corrupted therefore he is not a Muslim anymore ya ayuha al-Faylasoof al-sagheer inta jahil [161 words] dhimmi no more Feb 19, 2006 18:15 ↔ To Tariq: Jesus did not go to mecca [126 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 20, 2006 02:07 ↔ lion heart [265 words] ahmad zafire Feb 22, 2006 04:29 ↔ To Tariq: Show them to me [46 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 23, 2006 19:42 ↔ I have a few questions [539 words] jeffreyb Feb 25, 2006 16:13 ↔ To Jeffrey: Answer to your questions [539 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 26, 2006 02:29 ↔ To lion heart [171 words] jeffreyb Feb 26, 2006 17:41 ↔ To Jeffrey: more answers [521 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 27, 2006 01:07 ↔ To lion heart [233 words] jeffreyb Feb 27, 2006 16:23 ↔ Son of Man [130 words] Joe Feb 27, 2006 20:54 ↔ To Jeffrey: You are in denial [553 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 27, 2006 22:13 ↔ Denial? [201 words] Jeffreyb Feb 28, 2006 15:06 ↔ To Jeffrey: you are hopelessly confused [365 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 28, 2006 18:04 ↔ To lion heart [33 words] jeffreyb Mar 1, 2006 01:11 ↔ yes... [26 words] ahmad zafire Mar 4, 2006 13:13 ↔ Replies to Italian, dhimmi no more and Richard [1023 words] tariq Mar 5, 2006 06:57 ↔ To Tariq: Let me educate you [498 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 6, 2006 00:48 ↔ To Tariq: More education [251 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 6, 2006 00:53 ↔ to richard- Jesus being a Muslim [117 words] tariq Mar 12, 2006 10:29 ↔ To tariq: Jesus is the creator [637 words] Richard Lion heart Mar 13, 2006 15:51 ↔ to richard [275 words] tariq Mar 14, 2006 06:47 Response to The Pope and the Qur'an [3181 words]Anees Ahmad Feb 18, 2006 08:47 Oh For GODS Sake! [50 words]jeffreyb Feb 14, 2006 04:07 ↔ Jeffrey you are confused [93 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 14, 2006 19:24 ↔ i agree... [17 words] ahmad zafire Feb 15, 2006 02:53 ↔ confused? [230 words] Jeffreyb Feb 15, 2006 16:06 ↔ To Jeffrey: JESUS=Salvation [449 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 15, 2006 20:39 ↔ the most sense i heard since i got on this forum [55 words] ahmad zafire Feb 15, 2006 21:49 ↔ Qur'an not = to either Bible or any other book [491 words] Joe Feb 16, 2006 14:00 ↔ a different gospel? [233 words] jeffreyb Feb 16, 2006 17:04 ↔ A must read for ALL Christians [409 words] jeffreyb Feb 16, 2006 20:04 ↔ lion heart.....your'e half right. [125 words] ahmad zafire Feb 17, 2006 00:01 ↔ To Jeffrey: The Koran is contrary to Gospels [429 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 17, 2006 01:46 ↔ Synchretism [447 words] Joe Feb 17, 2006 12:40 ↔ Worship Jesus? [557 words] jeffreyb Feb 17, 2006 16:19 ↔ LION HEART [39 words] ahmad zafire Feb 17, 2006 21:16 ↔ To Jeffrey: Jesus is God [494 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 18, 2006 00:32 ↔ Jesus is God? [411 words] jeffreyb Feb 18, 2006 17:40 ↔ Let me ask you something lion heart [333 words] jeffreyb Feb 19, 2006 15:39 ↔ To Jeffrey: Your confusion is deep [533 words] Richard the Lionheart Feb 20, 2006 01:41 ↔ To Jeffrey: Christianity 101 [404 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 20, 2006 16:30 ↔ Thanks for clearing things up lionheart [173 words] jeffreyb Feb 20, 2006 16:41 ↔ To Jeffrey:Unfortunately you are still confused [454 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 21, 2006 01:14 ↔ To Jeffrey: More about your confusion [111 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 21, 2006 02:11 ↔ qu'ran v BIBLE [695 words] Jeff P Feb 21, 2006 10:28 ↔ Repentance [861 words] jeffreyb Feb 21, 2006 16:50 ↔ To Jeffrey: Salvation of Jesus [390 words] Richard Lion heart Feb 21, 2006 20:31 ↔ LION HEART...CONFUSE [52 words] AHMAD ZAFIRE Feb 22, 2006 04:59 ↔ believe in jesus? [34 words] ahmad zafire Feb 22, 2006 05:06 ↔ Jeffery, What are you doing? Confused? [276 words] Joe Feb 22, 2006 15:22 ↔ Ahmad Zafire, I urge you to study religion objectively [393 words] Joe Feb 22, 2006 15:39 ↔ to ahmad zafire [190 words] jeffreyb Feb 22, 2006 16:08 ↔ joe [72 words] ahmad zafire Feb 22, 2006 23:08 ↔ joe [61 words] ahmad zafire Feb 22, 2006 23:17 ↔ What distortion? [515 words] Joe Feb 27, 2006 20:30 ↔ The Light [210 words] Joe Feb 27, 2006 20:42 ↔ they reject jesus as christians reject mohammad..... [50 words] ahmad zafire Mar 14, 2006 18:20 ↔ You're still not answering Ahmad [298 words] Joe Mar 16, 2006 14:57 ↔ joe [241 words] ahmad zafire Mar 16, 2006 23:42 ↔ joe [39 words] ahmad zafire Mar 17, 2006 11:26 ↔ Ahmad dont be so naive [531 words] Joe Mar 19, 2006 19:07 Quran AND Science [200 words]Lisa Feb 6, 2006 00:42 ↔ I agree [162 words] joe Feb 6, 2006 20:17 ↔ To Lisa [886 words] tariq Feb 7, 2006 07:11 ↔ Muhammad the scientist [399 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 7, 2006 23:54 ↔ another comment by an ignorant kaffir (for TARIQ) [320 words] ITALIAN Feb 8, 2006 14:32 ↔ to joe's comment titled 'i agree' [282 words] tariq Feb 11, 2006 05:51 ↔ Tariq, don't you get it [142 words] Lisa Feb 11, 2006 19:04 ↔ to italian. when did i say you are ignorant? [508 words] tariq Feb 12, 2006 06:32 ↔ to Lisa [533 words] tariq Feb 12, 2006 07:21 ↔ a correction to Tariq's last response to Lisa. [108 words] Italian Feb 12, 2006 18:51 ↔ Tariq- I can only pray and hope [652 words] Lisa Feb 12, 2006 22:41 ↔ to italian [292 words] tariq Feb 13, 2006 07:17 ↔ TO TARIQ: I STILL AGREE [382 words] Joe Feb 14, 2006 02:38 ↔ to lisa: then pray tht i get good grades this semester [1515 words] tariq Feb 14, 2006 11:48 ↔ Are you joking Tariq? [168 words] Italian Feb 14, 2006 15:34 ↔ Tariq, are you serious? Everything you said was wrong [317 words] Joe Feb 14, 2006 22:22 ↔ to Joe's comment titled: I STILL AGREE [1649 words] tariq Feb 18, 2006 08:03 ↔ To Tariq: The Quaran's and hadith fake science [761 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 18, 2006 16:21 ↔ to richard [363 words] tariq Feb 19, 2006 06:08 ↔ to italian [329 words] tariq Feb 19, 2006 06:32 ↔ to Joe [3159 words] tariq Feb 19, 2006 07:22 ↔ To Tariq in quranland [586 words] italian Feb 19, 2006 16:43 ↔ Tariq, Science is not in the Qur'an [229 words] Joe Feb 22, 2006 16:06 ↔ Crusades, Hitler [198 words] Joe Feb 22, 2006 16:14 ↔ Tariq, you still are not learing the facts, but getting better [734 words] Joe Feb 22, 2006 16:47 ↔ to italian [519 words] tariq Feb 28, 2006 03:46 ↔ to joe [3891 words] tariq Mar 5, 2006 05:12 ↔ To Lisa [w/response] [163 words] B. Mustapha Mar 9, 2006 09:39 ↔ to joe [1018 words] tariq Mar 13, 2006 10:28 ↔ To Tariq: [2636 words] Joe Mar 19, 2006 21:25 ↔ misnterpretations [130 words] Sumaiya A. Aug 19, 2006 17:23 ↔ THE SUN MOVES! [107 words] dood Sep 17, 2006 03:21 ↔ For Sumaiya al-faylasoofa al-kabira and "Dhul Qarnian"! [407 words] dhimmi no more Sep 17, 2006 08:09 ↔ to dhimmi no more [136 words] dood Sep 22, 2006 10:55 ↔ For Sumaiya al-faylasoofa al-kabira and her bogus Arabic! [232 words] dhimmi no more Sep 22, 2006 17:19 ↔ For Sumaiya and balagha and balaagha part deux! [136 words] dhimmi no more Sep 22, 2006 17:31 ↔ For Sumaiya -part trois! [532 words] dhimmi no more Sep 23, 2006 07:24 ↔ For Sumaiya and balagha and balaagha and Dhul Qarnain part deux! [268 words] dhimmi no more Sep 24, 2006 15:56 ↔ fascinating post I tell you!!! [253 words] dood Sep 26, 2006 04:21 ↔ For Sumaiya and Dhul Qarnain part quatre! [162 words] dhimmi no more Oct 9, 2006 18:08 ↔ For Sumaiya and her chutzpah! [479 words] dhimmi no more Oct 10, 2006 17:49 ↔ you have the guts to mention PLAGIARISM? [194 words] dood Oct 11, 2006 03:17 No real counter arguments (yet) [122 words]tariq Feb 5, 2006 12:24 ↔ Tariq: So Allah the pre-islamic Arabian pagan deity did not tell his followers to kill pagans unless they convert to Islam? have you ever heard of Ayat al-Saif? [4 words] dhimmi no more Feb 6, 2006 17:49 ↔ Forced conversion did happen [277 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 6, 2006 22:03 ↔ to dhimmi no more [35 words] tariq Feb 7, 2006 05:55 ↔ Tariq and quoting the Bible: Why do you quote the Bible when Muhammad claimed that Jews and Christians corrupted the Bible? [4 words] dhimmi no more Feb 7, 2006 06:40 ↔ Tariq: It spells Ayat al-Saif. Do you really know what it says in Ayat al-Saif? [78 words] dhimmi no more Feb 7, 2006 18:12 ↔ christians forced conversion... [32 words] ahmad zafire Feb 8, 2006 01:23 ↔ Ahamd Zafire: What gave you the impression that I'm Nusrani or yahudi? You need to read with care Tariq's claim about Allah not asking his followers to kill al-Mushrikiin unless they convert to Islam [24 words] dhimmi no more Feb 8, 2006 06:58 ↔ Muhammad is in trouble [79 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 8, 2006 13:31 ↔ BLACK OR AS SOME SAY AFRO-AMERICAN ....... [28 words] ahmad zafire Feb 8, 2006 19:35 ↔ African slaves [77 words] Joe Feb 9, 2006 14:05 ↔ christanity was forced.... [190 words] ahmad zafire Feb 9, 2006 16:31 ↔ to dhimmi no more [431 words] tariq Feb 11, 2006 06:05 ↔ Forced conversion did(not) happen [382 words] tariq Feb 11, 2006 08:55 ↔ The amazing Tariq and the Islamic mind ... [356 words] dhimmi no more Feb 11, 2006 17:14 ↔ Forced conversions [297 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 13, 2006 01:34 ↔ to dhimmi no more: changing the topic cuz you dont have an answer, arent you? [652 words] tariq Feb 14, 2006 10:42 ↔ Tariq and the flawed Muslim mind... [138 words] dhimmi no more Feb 15, 2006 07:35 ↔ to Dhimmi no more [302 words] tariq Feb 19, 2006 07:34 ↔ who is the prophet mohammad? [282 words] mohammad Feb 19, 2006 18:14 ↔ Muhummad [89 words] Joe Feb 28, 2006 16:34 ↔ to joe [28 words] tariq Mar 13, 2006 09:30 Islam-Catholicism [238 words]Terry Senum Jan 28, 2006 00:25 ↔ The Truth [290 words] Brian Gregory Jan 28, 2006 11:10 ↔ If you read the Bible and the Koran [74 words] ahmad zafire Jan 28, 2006 19:54 ↔ The difference between Bible and Quran [38 words] PDM Jan 29, 2006 11:15 ↔ islam derives from the meaning peace.... [90 words] ahmad zafire Jan 29, 2006 20:15 ↔ glade to see... [37 words] ahmad zafire Jan 29, 2006 20:24 ↔ Ahmad Zafire, you are wrong about the holocaust and Crusades [285 words] xtian Jan 29, 2006 20:26 ↔ It Is Not A Matter Of If But When [58 words] AnneM Jan 30, 2006 14:25 ↔ Re: What Being " Born Again " Is About [109 words] AnneM Jan 30, 2006 14:55 ↔ Re: History Cannot Be Denied [54 words] AnneM Jan 30, 2006 16:25 ↔ Socrates for Muslims [85 words] Ianus Jan 30, 2006 16:37 ↔ xtian.... [106 words] ahmadzafire Jan 31, 2006 04:34 ↔ Prof. ahmadzafire on the crusades [141 words] Ianus Jan 31, 2006 16:22 ↔ Crusades [349 words] xtian Jan 31, 2006 17:17 ↔ It Is Not A Matter Of If But When [150 words] Ianus Feb 1, 2006 17:15 ↔ ENLIGHTENS...YET....SICKENS ME...THE THOUGHT OF WHATS TO COME.... [312 words] ahmad zafire Feb 3, 2006 10:24 ↔ "Being a Westerner and a Muslim" [37 words] Ianus Feb 11, 2006 14:58 ↔ westerner and muslim.... Ianus [40 words] ahmad zafire Feb 12, 2006 03:34 ↔ to terry senum [303 words] tariq Feb 12, 2006 06:06 ↔ To Zafire: Islam is not growing [185 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 13, 2006 13:28 ↔ No- You're the fool Lionheart [118 words] ahmad zafire Feb 13, 2006 21:49 ↔ Ahmad zafire [221 words] Joe Feb 14, 2006 02:51 ↔ To Zafire: The numbers speak for themselves [241 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 14, 2006 13:12 ↔ joe.. [171 words] ahmad zafire Feb 15, 2006 03:17 ↔ lion heart [65 words] ahmadz faire Feb 15, 2006 03:23 ↔ Ahmad Zafire [292 words] Joe Feb 17, 2006 12:55 ↔ Islam Growing Fast [76 words] tariq Feb 19, 2006 07:41 ↔ To Tariq: The coming of global Christianity [331 words] Richard the Lion heart Feb 20, 2006 14:03 ↔ to richard [40 words] tariq Mar 5, 2006 07:47 Islam is a Modern Religion [144 words]Asad Ahmed Jan 27, 2006 07:39 ↔ Open your mind, Zafire [159 words] italian Jan 30, 2006 16:10 ↔ Re: Christianity Ahead Of Its Time [118 words] AnneM Jan 30, 2006 17:36 ↔ italian [108 words] ahmad zafire Jan 31, 2006 23:44 ↔ To Italian [126 words] tariq Feb 5, 2006 07:42 ↔ to tariq [273 words] Italian Feb 6, 2006 16:01 ↔ to italian [871 words] tariq Feb 7, 2006 08:29 ↔ for Tariq [548 words] italian Feb 7, 2006 18:27 ↔ reply to italian [859 words] tariq Feb 12, 2006 06:10 Why do people convert to Islam? [284 words]xtain Jan 26, 2006 15:22 ↔ How Islam spread [297 words] Ahmed Jan 26, 2006 17:28 ↔ Daniel Pipes was right, "faith follows the flag" [133 words] j.m. Jan 27, 2006 00:57 ↔ ...how about: "Convert, Be Enslaved or Die by Beheading!"? [492 words] RPaine Jan 27, 2006 08:04 ↔ to Xitian [183 words] Asad Ahmed Jan 27, 2006 08:23 ↔ Why do people convert to Islam? [228 words] Ianus Jan 27, 2006 11:19 ↔ Islamic conquest of India bloodiest in the history [626 words] Ayesha Jan 27, 2006 16:59 ↔ converts.....in al-islam [169 words] ahmad zafire Jan 28, 2006 00:15 ↔ R Paine [16 words] S.C.Panda Jan 28, 2006 04:49 ↔ Re: Thankfully The West Is Begining To Wake Up To The Truth [79 words] AnneM Jan 30, 2006 16:10 ↔ xtain..... [127 words] ahmad zafire Jan 31, 2006 23:57 ↔ xtian [41 words] ahmad zafire Feb 12, 2006 18:31 ↔ Context is a beautiful thing [731 words] Lyle Mar 7, 2006 11:34 ↔ The answer for why people convert to Islam. [119 words] Muhammad Fikri Jan 9, 2007 03:11 ↔ "Why should anyone become a Muslim Muhammad? what's the deal with Allah?" [469 words] Lactantius Jr. Jan 11, 2007 17:29 ↔ To Muhammad Firi on conversion [342 words] Plato Jan 15, 2007 05:53 ↔ My friend... [586 words] Muhammad Fikri Jan 16, 2007 00:22 ↔ To Muhammed Fikri on conversion to Islam, etc. [2435 words] Plato Jan 17, 2007 06:22 ↔ Plato... [118 words] Muhammad Fikri Jan 17, 2007 23:21 ↔ To Muhammed Fikri, on conversion continued [466 words] Plato Jan 20, 2007 04:45 ↔ To Plato [534 words] Basimah C. Legander-Woods Jan 21, 2007 04:34 ↔ To Basimah-Fikri [967 words] Plato Jan 22, 2007 02:36 ↔ To Plato [197 words] Sr. Basimah Woods Jan 23, 2007 04:59 ↔ "Response to sister Basimah. Contradicting Allah and Muhammad" [995 words] Lactantius Jr. Jan 23, 2007 18:27 ↔ To Basimah-Fikree on long-winded ranting... [491 words] Plato Jan 25, 2007 02:00 ↔ Cant stand the heat, Plato? [9 words] Basimah Legander-Woods Jan 26, 2007 00:58 ↔ To Basimah-Fikree: Be cool [22 words] Plato Jan 27, 2007 00:20 ↔ "What do the Islamic sources say about the Bible?" [90 words] Lactantius Jr. Jan 28, 2007 18:32 ↔ do you know why? [108 words] fatma Apr 3, 2008 04:29 ↔ Consider yourself mistaken. [150 words] Muslimah Jun 5, 2008 02:21 ↔ nothing about Islam [380 words] Heso Jul 25, 2008 23:12 ↔ Understand God (great to poor india) [135 words] Emidio Dec 19, 2008 14:48 I'm not sure I agree with you [99 words]Mescalero Jan 26, 2006 00:30 On the immuntability of Christianity [211 words]xtian Jan 25, 2006 18:16 ↔ The Two Xtianities (not counting the myriad sects currently extant) [134 words] orange yonason Jan 26, 2006 14:18 ↔ the philosophy [146 words] xtian Jan 26, 2006 15:41 ↔ ALL YOU NEED IS, ....LOVE? [518 words] orange yonason Feb 1, 2006 03:42 ↔ Christianity, Love, and eschatology [431 words] xtian Feb 3, 2006 03:28 ↔ REALITY CHECK [773 words] orange yonason Feb 5, 2006 02:33 ↔ LOVE again [466 words] xtian Feb 6, 2006 20:45 ↔ XTIAN...YOURE RIGHT.. [69 words] AHMAD ZAFIRE Feb 9, 2006 16:47 ↔ did I read you right [59 words] Chad Timmer Oct 13, 2006 13:44 Yes, but is it a religion? [596 words]Barbara Jan 25, 2006 16:55 ↔ Comment on " Is islam a religion" [358 words] N. K. Jan 26, 2006 12:22 ↔ Yes, but is it a religion?...Of course no, but what will dhimmi Brussels say? [349 words] Ianus Jan 26, 2006 16:42 ↔ TO N K [75 words] AHAMD ZAFIRE Feb 9, 2006 16:57 Congress debate Quran petition (faithfreedom.org) [165 words]A.A. Jan 24, 2006 13:40 ↔ Congress debate Quran petition (faithfreedom.org) [36 words] Ianus Jan 24, 2006 19:39 ↔ Koran [34 words] Samantha Feb 16, 2006 09:40 ↔ outlaw sam.... [72 words] ahmad zafire Feb 17, 2006 00:12 ↔ HATERS AT IT AGAIN...........? [215 words] Abdul Kareem Dec 6, 2007 16:23 The Pope and the Koran art. No.3281 [48 words]S.C.Panda Jan 24, 2006 05:08 Why change [203 words]yuval brandstetter Jan 23, 2006 15:44 ↔ Reform is only possible by defeat [97 words] Jaladhi Jan 24, 2006 14:01 ↔ The longer the delay... [204 words] J.S. Jan 24, 2006 15:40 I agree with Daniel Pipes... [341 words]on behalf of Sheikh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi Jan 23, 2006 12:59 ↔ A response to Mr.Palazzi [513 words] Farid Jan 24, 2006 01:26 ↔ Rebuttal to Sheikh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi [168 words] xtian Jan 24, 2006 13:05 ↔ Very bad fall of style Mr Palazzi [188 words] Italian Jan 24, 2006 16:43 ↔ The Good Book [247 words] ryan Jan 25, 2006 01:49 ↔ Immutability vs Adaptability [658 words] orange yonason Jan 25, 2006 03:34 ↔ Note To My "Immutability vs Adaptability" [50 words] orange yonason Jan 26, 2006 01:06 مبارك قداسة الأب بيندكت السادس عشر وكل من ي [612 words]mohamed.m Jan 23, 2006 12:49 If Islam is Stuck, Should it be Pushed - or Pulled? [101 words]David Schachter Jan 23, 2006 11:44 ↔ Neither [319 words] J.S. Jan 23, 2006 15:40 Replies to Ianus [653 words]tariq Jan 23, 2006 08:03 ↔ Ianus , there is a technomatic question here [428 words] Harrak Jan 23, 2006 16:44 ↔ To Tariq the Rightly-Guided Muslim [1013 words]