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Submitted by Nasr (Malaysia), Jan 24, 2015 at 09:22

[[Oh and speaking of inferiority our dear Nasr regards Arab culture as far superior in comparison with the culture of his own people in Malaysia]]

The Arabs are chosen to spread covenant for mankind about One unique Creator . Isaiah 42:10-12. Yes, they should be superior as they uphold the Laws from the Creator whom Israelite failed to do in the past.

[[Where did I say that?]]

Your logic says so.

[[It is your Allah who is saying that the earth is flat or did you forget?]]

From the view of inhabitants on earth. Earth looks widely spread out. if viewed from inhabitants of the skies. Earth looks spherical.

[[What rotation? your Allah says that the earth is STATIONARY! or did you forget?

You see our dear Nasr the pagan greeks taught us the great rule KISS! Oh you do not get it do you?]]

Sun mentioned to run until a stopping point. While moon said to revolve around earth. You have verse of mountains moving like movement of clouds which only modern era was found to be moving in rotation of earth. Nothing to do about stationary earth.

[[Here is my evidence again http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/220316]]

But didnt Sheikh changed his interpretation after prince of Saudi corrected him. Is not interesting Quran was not changed meaning nothing was said about earth being stationary.

[[So where does it say that in Q79:30]]

Read Q79:30-31

[[But the Qur'an as I proved to you says that there are people that live on the moon that pary to Allah! What a disaster]]

By using such logic, you are also saying there are people living on animals?

[[Says who? This creation of your Allah is a big time disaster with wars and famines and disease and death and cyclones and earthquakes (Oh I forgot mountains prevent earthquakes) and comets chasing al-shaytan]]

Try sturdying the first act of killing. As conflict of interest arose among human. Shaytan whispers an incite act of killing. Basically its a test from the Creator. It its something knowm before the creation mankind.

http://beta.quran.com/2/30

[[Mountains are not rawasi or pegs! But the worst thing is when some fool tell us that mountains are pegs of a tent and have it in writing and then have more fools trying to explain this disaster...

The description of the Qur'an refletcs that fact that the auothor of the Qur'an was an Arab who knew about tents and pegs]]

If mountain is not sturdy, then mountain should have sunk. But if its in shape of a peg. Then you will be seeing mountains for generations. Simple logic.

[[Where does it say that in the Qur'an? Hint: the Qur'an says that the earth is STATIONARY!]]

Quran never said earth is stationary.

[[Then prove it or shut up..

So are the mountains really pegs? HINT: they are not..

I feel sorry for you and for your very poor uncritical education but again this is what islam is all about]]

Mountains with deep roots underneath sea have shakes, the same applies to mountains on top of sea. So that flat spread land becomes habitable. Simple logic

[[Where does it say that in the Qur'an? and if this is true then how come we have more earthquakes in places like the failed state of Pakistan?]]

[[No your Allah is really saying that the universe is like a tent with a flat earth and the sky is flat and the mountains are like the pegs in a tent so they prevent earthquakes and the sky will not come down crashing on your bed oh the stars? Your Allah says that they are DECORATIONS in the sky! What a disaster]]

So you are saying there are pegs and decorations inside a tent of Arabs. This would mean you are trying to say that sky is locking down the skies at the edges of universe. Twisted logic.

[[So tell us what it says and the following will be accepted as evidence: Verses from the Qur'an IN ARABIC no translations will be accepted...

How many times did I tell you that i do not read translations because Muslim translators of the Qur'an the likes of Yusuf Ali are liars]]

The creator give us rough idea of the skies. Nothing to do with you imagination of a tent with pegs.

http://beta.quran.com/21/104 which agrees with http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

[[Really? Where does the Qur'an say that?]]

http://beta.quran.com/41/11

[[These are not my words these are your revered Mufasereen that say that!]]

Like i post in my previous reply , the verse talks about human being given a place to stay and protected with firm skies so no celestial objects dropping towards earth.

[[gobbledygook]]

Thats what you have been using to argue. Dont blame me for elaborating your logic.

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