The Qur'an is an edited book and my evidence? Q17:23 and the flat earth in the Qur'an read and laugh
Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jan 27, 2015 at 14:52
This was my question to our dear Nasr
how come the Qur'an was not revealed in Urdu and why is your Allah silent about the religions of your ancestors be it Hinduism or Buddhism? Let me guess Allah is an Arabian deity and he did not know about anything beyond Arabia right?
And this is his answer
Well there are many covenants that have existed prior to Islam.
Was Hinduism and was Buddhism the religions of your ancestors part of these "covenants"? And if not then how come your Allah has no clue about neither Hinduism nor Buddhism?
And the covenant of Israelite have foretell about Arabs proclaiming the covenant for mankind to the world.
The "covenant of the Israelites fortell about the Arabs"? Says who? and how about your ancestors? They do not count right? This means that Allah is only a Semitic deity and he has no clue about India or Malaysia right? Thank you for proving my point
That is the decree from God.
Really? so your Allah is the ethnic God of the Jews? Says who?
As people went astray, merciful God brings them back to true path. As for those that died not knowing about Islam. God will judge them accordingly on their good/bad deeds.
You did not answer my question so let me ask you again: How come your Allah is silent about your Hindu ancestors? And why was the Qur'an not revealed in let us say Urdu? Well if it was revealed in Urdu then Arabs would have to learn Urdu right? so why was it not revealed in Urdu? why do you regard your ancestors and your mother tongue as inferior to the Arabs and their language?
Then I asked
[[Your Allah is saying that the earth is flat which means that Bin Baz was very correct...Do you know what this means? It means that your are saying that the Ulama have been lying to Muslims and telling Muslims that earth is flat but the truth is they were not liars they were telling Muslims that the earth is flat because the Qur'an says so..This will not be regarded as evidence unless you provide the text in Arabic deal?
There are using reference and when the reference is invalid. They can correct it. But you say the Quran says so. But no corrections were made inside Quran as Quran have no contradictions.
The Qur'an has no corrections? Wrong let me give you an example in Q17:23 it says
وقضى ربك الا تعبدوا الا اياه
Or And your Lord judged that you should not pray except to him
Well if we read al-Qurtubi's tafseer it says that the word قضى is really a mistake as per no other than Ibn Abbas and in his Mushaf the word قضى is ووصى and very different word then al-Qurtubi that it is due to the fact that it was misread as قضى oh you do not believe me? Here is al-Qurtubi explaining this disaster
وَفِي مُصْحَف اِبْن مَسْعُود " وَوَصَّى " وَهِيَ قِرَاءَة أَصْحَابه وَقِرَاءَة اِبْن عَبَّاس أَيْضًا وَعَلِيّ وَغَيْرهمَا , وَكَذَلِكَ عِنْد أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب . قَالَ اِبْن عَبَّاس : إِنَّمَا هُوَ " وَوَصَّى رَبّك " فَالْتَصَقَتْ إِحْدَى الْوَاوَيْنِ فَقُرِئَتْ " وَقَضَى رَبّك
And here is his tabreer: The word is wa wasa rabaka because one of the two waws got stuck (to the sad and therefore read incorrectely) as wa Qada"
What a disaster the Qur'an we have is
1. It is an edited book
2. And it is a corrupted book
So next time you tell yourself that the Qur'an is not a corrupted book think of Q17:23 and وقضى and the correct but nontheless not in the Qur'an is ووصى
What a disaster
How come you did not know that?
As for contradictions how do you explain al-Nasikh wa al-Mansukh? and how come Allah cannot make up his mind?
Its how people interpretes. That is why In 1966 ibn Baz wrote "The quotation I cited [in his original article] from the speech of the great scholar Ibn Al-Qayyim (may Allah be merciful to him) includes proof that the earth is round.
Where is the Arabic text?
Oh let me help you here is the Arabic text from his web site and if you can read Arabic
كما أني قد أثبت في المقال فيما نقلته عن العلامة ابن القيم رحمه الله ما يدل على إثبات كروية الأرض، أما دورانها فقد أنكرته وبينت الأدلة على بطلانه ولكني لم أكفر من قال به، وإنما كفرت من قال إن الشمس ثابتة غير جارية؛ لأن هذا القول مصادم لصريح القرآن الكريم والسنة المطهرة الصحيحة الدالين على أن الشمس والقمر يجريان،
He is saying that he quoted information from Ibn al-Qayyim that he believed that the earth is like a ball (notice that he does not provide us with the exact quote from this Ibn al-Qayyim and i challenge you to find it and THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT Bin Baz agreed with his opinion as a mater of fact he issued his infamous fatwa of takfeer after writing the above article)
Then Bin Baz says as for the rotation of earth he denied it but he did not declare anyone who says that earth is not stationary as being a kafir (which is a blatant lie because just a year before in 1976 he declared that a kafir is he who says that the earth is not the center of the universe and is not stationary) then he says that anyone who says that the Sun does not run in an orbit to be a kafir
How come you did not know that? Let me guess because you cannot read the Arabic right? and here is the article from his web site
And i will be waiting for your text IN ARABIC where the so called Ibn al-Qayyim wrote that the earth is like a ball! Only Arabic texts will be accepted as evidence
[[His name is Ibn al-Qayyum!So was al-Tabari and Ibn Kathir and al-Qurtubi ignorant? And guess what they are all right because the Qur'an says that the earth is flatBut I'm going to give you a chance: Provide me with Ibn al-Qayyum text in Arabic because I really do not beleive tablighees like you
And this is our dear Nasr's answer
I see you have no answer! You proved my point that we kuffar should not believe tablighees
Then I asked him
But Allah says is his al-lawh al-mahfuz that the earth is flat right? and Galileo proved him wrong right? see how easy it is to poke big holes in your bogus claims?]]
And this is his answer
It is not just Al-Qayyim of 13th century, others from 12th century e.g Imam Fakr Al Razi also give interpretations of spherical earth. If Allah says eart is flat, the why do people can come up with spherical earth interpretations?
Where is the text in Arabic? How many times do i have to ask you?
But here is the real disaster and this is from Bin Baz's web site and it is about an article that was published by Ahamd Baha' el-Din in the Egyptian newspaper al-Musawar that Bin Baz issued a fatwa of takfir for anyone who says that the earth is not flat and that the sun does not orbit earth and here is Bin Baz's response to this disaster
And here is a video by Bin Baz where he does not say that the earth is like a ball he only says that this Ibn al-Qayyim says it is like a ball but he does not provide reference which means that he is either a liar or he is making things up then he ends the video by saying but the earth must be flat! What a disaster
So let me help you here is what Ibn al-Qayyim said about the earth and the sky
"الصواعق المرسلة" (4/1308) أن القول بأن السماء ليست محيطة بالأرض، وإنما هي سقف لها فقط، ذكر أن هذا القول مخالف للإجماع ولما دل عليه العقل والحس. -Or in his
Or in his book al-Sawa3iq al-Murasala the saying that: "the sky does not conver/surround the earth but it is only a ceiling this saying is against the accepted and not according to brain (read this as logic) and touching (read this as physical reality)"
I do not see anything about him claiming that the earth is like a ball
Again I told you and you must pardon me many Muslims are, and I hate to say it, liars
And here is the reference in Arabic
Then I asked him
[[Mr and you must pardon me ignorant you have no clue about the Quranic rasm right? Let me help you:1. This is your Allah's rasm دحها2. This is the editing of the Ulama دَحاهَا what a disaster the ulama added an alif and two fathas so next time some one tell you that the Qur'an we have has not been edited think of دَحاهَا ]]
And this is his pathetic answer
Reread the writing in http://quran.com/79/30. BUt there is also recitation where aleph is needed to be placed.
How many times do i have to tell you why do you make a fool of yourself tell me
Let me help you again the correct word in Arabic has an alif following the letter hah your Allah could not even spell a perfect Arabic word
[[Bogus if this was about recitation then Muslims would have agreed on is the word ملك in Surat al-Fatiha مَلِكِ or is it مالِكِ this was about correcting poor Arabic spelling by your Allah..Wrong again the alif is there because it is the correct Arabic! Your Allah could not spell a perfect Arabic word!]]
And this is his bizarre answer
Check out http://quran.com/1/1-7 . Its just matter of placing aleph. No issue actually. Again, its about recitation.
Big time issue because adding an alif CHANGES THE MEANING OF THE WORD and the word Maaliki means the owner of and the word Maliki means the King of so is it Maalki or is it Malki and it cannot be both
How come you did not know that?
And Quran was not sent in form of papers with inscription. It is thru recitation and later scribes wrote down whas is recited by the prophet.
Wrong again if the Qur'an was indeed memorized then we would have had either Maalki as you will find in the Cairo Qur'an or Maliki as you will find in the Tunisian Qur'an
The bogus claim that the Qur'an was memorized is a bogus claim
[[Hello: your Allah is saying that the earth is flat and he has no clue about the chronology of his own creation and he cannot even spell perfect Arabic words and to add insult to injury you have no clue about the Quranic rasm and you have the audacity to tell us readers to read translations of the Qur'an when we can read it in Arabic]]
But then there are imams from 12th century interpreting the verse as spherical earth.
And al-Qayyim is not one of them
So this refutes what you have just post.
Refute what? that you are making a fool of yourself? But you are
Simple to comprehend?
I will leave this to the readers to judge you and leave islam and be free from all of this nonsense
What a disaster the author of the Qur'an says that the earth is flat and fools believe it
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