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Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Feb 18, 2006 at 08:03

"First off, have you ever heard of Galen? He was a lot further along in the study of anatomy than Muhummad..."

Muhamad(Pbuh) was an Illiterate. he knew nothing about science. And Galen, funny you should mention him. Galen thought that a child is born wen a sperm and blood in a female mix together. which is tottally wrong. Quran on the other hand says tht a human LOOKS like a clot of blood. This fact was unknown even to modern scientists until Dr. Moore tested the Quran.

"Also, anything can be characterized into stages, it just depends on how specific you want to get with what happens in each stage. There is an infinite amout of occurances within each second of an embryo's life."

Very true. But the Quran explains the developement of an embryo in stages which are simpler and more easier to understand than those used in medical books. also it mentions facts about embryology which was unknown till some muslim schlolars gave the translation of the Quran in GREAT DETAIL to Dr. Moore.

"If the Qur'an is a scientific book, then why are the Muslims lacking in the economy and in technology?"

because few muslims follow Islam. actually this is true of all religions. Hindus dont even know how many gods they should believe in. and christians deink wine and eat pork even though it is forbidden for them. In the same way few muslims follow Quran. Also Qurans depth in meaning and its poetic beauty is lost wen it is translated. and as many muslims dont understand Arabic. they cant understand the Quran.

The word check and algebra have been derived from arabic names. The Europeans copied from the Arabs, the design of the sails of their ships to make them more efficient. It is common knowledge that in the early days of Islam, the muslims were ahead of the world in the field of astronomy. Unfortunately, muslims strayed away from their religion and this resulted in muslims staying away from education. that in turn resulted in fanatics like Osama and saddam, and the muslim world staying behind the world in science.
Quran commands muslims to acquire knowledge and education. the first word of the Quran ever revealed was 'read'.
You know who Carly Fiorina is? she is the former CEO of HP(maybe she still is)
She once gave a lecture titled "What does our future demand of leaders today?"
in the end she said:
"I'll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization's commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I'm talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians."

"Science cannot prove the existence of God."
i know

"Science is natural, based on observation of the natural world."
i know. but there are somethings which cant be observed due to limited advances in science

"By definition, knowing about embryos is merely through observation."

Merely? how can you see an embryo? if it is so easy, y is it the science even 1400 years after the Quran did not know certain things written in the Quran? Your comment reminds of a book i have written by Dr. Miller titled, The Amazing Quran( i have a pdf version)
he says:
"I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Keith Moore for a television presentation, and we talked a great deal about this (embryology in Quran) - it was illustrated by slides and so on. He mentioned that some of the things that the Qur'an states about the growth of the human being were not known until thirty years ago. In fact, he said that one item in particular - the Qur'an's description of the human being as a "leech-like clot" ('alaqah) at one stage - was new to him; but when he checked on it, he found that it was true, and so he added it to his book. He said, "I never thought of that before," and he went to the zoology department and asked for a picture of a leech. When he found that it looked just like the human embryo, he decided to include both pictures in one of his textbooks. Dr. Moore also wrote a book on clinical embryology, and when he presented this information in Toronto, it caused quite a stir throughout Canada. It was on the front pages of some of the newspapers across Canada, and some of the headlines were quite funny. For instance, one headline read: "SURPRISING THING FOUND IN ANCIENT BOOK!"! It seems obvious from this example that people do not clearly understand what it is all about. As a matter of fact, one newspaper reporter asked Professor Moore, "Don't you think That maybe the Arabs might have known about these things - the description of the embryo, its appearance and how it changes and grows? Maybe there were not scientists, but maybe they did something crude dissections on their own - carved up people and examined these things."

The professor immediately pointed out to him that he [i.e., the reporter] had missed a very important point - all of the slides of the embryo that had been shown and had been projected in the film had come from pictures taken through a microscope. He said, "It does not matter if someone had tried to discover embryology fourteen centuries ago, they could not have seen it!". All of the descriptions in the Qur'an of the appearance of the embryo are of the item when it is still too small to see with the eye; therefore, one needs a microscope to see it. Since such a device had only been around for little more than two hundred years, Dr. Moore taunted, "Maybe fourteen centuries ago someone secretly had a microscope and did this research, making no mistakes anywhere. Then he somehow taught Muhammad and convinced him to put this information in his book. Then he destroyed his equipment and kept it a secret forever. Do you believe that? You really should not unless you bring some proof because it is such a ridiculous theory." In fact, when he was asked "How do you explain this information in the Qur'an?" Dr. Moore's reply was, "It could only have been divinely revealed."! "

"...but faith is unprovable"
Suppose u have faith in a book writtten 1400 years ago. and that book has info confirmed to man centurys after this book was written. what do u consider this as? a scientific error?

"The Bible talks about plagues in Egypt, science proves the eruption of Thera caused them-which does not disprove the miracle, but only proves it."
the bible also says tht "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."(Genesis 1:1)
And then says: "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the WATERS." (Genesis 1:2).
We all know that there was no water before the big bang. and according to the bible at this stage even light has not been created! (Genesis 1:3)

"The Bible as well has the big bang..."
Where?

"...and the story of creation through evolution"
Evolution is only a theory. it is not confirmed. according to this theory, animals and humans evolve SLOWLY from one from to another. to show this. skeletons of animals have been shown with little difference in their structure.(and the difference has a pattern suggesting evolution) But the problem is that the change in them seems SUDDEN. scientists have dug up fossils resembling each other in many ways but different in some ways. but there are no INTERMEDIATE fossils. so evolution could be right or wrong.

"The Qur'an is just reiterating an old story with less detail..."
Not less detail. but by removing scientific errors.

"And to leave off, Muhummad did and said a lot of things. He also said that Allah had three daughters at one point ("Women and Gender in Islam", written by a Muslim, google it)."
Send me a link

"He split the moon in two as well! That's pretty scientific..."
Do u believe in miracles?

"Muhummad also sinned..."
every religion has its own defintion of sinful behaviour.

"Tariq, if you are strong in your faith, you will go to faithfreedom.org"
Been there many times. found out that ali sina, like many others has misconceptions about Islam.
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