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Reader comment on item: Pope Benedict XVI and the Koran
in response to reader comment: About Jesus

Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Mar 5, 2006 at 06:57

To italians comment titled:"tariq in the quranland"

"tariq does there exist one thing or one idea in which you don't use quran?"
This was in reply tto my comment titled 'about Jesus' in which i quoted John 5:30
John 5:30 is not from the Quran. its from the new testament, the book of john chapter 5 verse 30

to Dhimmi no more:
Comment title:"Tariq quotes the Bible and believes what it says inspite of the fact that his Allah says it is corrupted therefore he is not a Muslim anymore ya ayuha al-Faylasoof al-sagheer inta jahil"

Actually i dont believe in it. i was only trying to speak in ur language. Keep on reading my comments and youll know whos jahil and Faylasoof al-sagheer. There would have been no need for my philosophy if u had read the bible urself.

"Your stupid falsafa (oh I forgot that you know no Arabic) would work except that your Allah thing or is it Muahmmad the so called prophet claimed that the Bible is corrupted."
My philosophy still works:
-We believe tht the bible is corrupt but not the whole. some parts arre still the words of god.
-I believe Jesus(pbuh) was a muslim. but not because the bible says so, but because the Quran says so.
-i was only using your language; using bible to show u wot u should actually believe.

"you should believe that the Gospel of John, the cource of your quote, was inharaf (oh I forgot that you know no Arabic)."
I believe it is currupted. and i never said otherwise.

now lets take a look at your falsafa:


"1. The prophet Mo or is it Allah that pre-Islamic pagan deity claimed that the Bible inharaf (oh I forgot that you know no Arabic Pakistani boy).

2. Tariq the graduate of a great madrassa in Pakistan (the hell hole of the world) quotes a verse from the Gospel of John and reaches a conclusion and then he congratulates himself.

3. Therefore Tariq is not a Muslim anymore as he believes what the Bible says and therefore it was not corrupted"

according to you:
1)Muslims should not believe in the bible.
2)I quoted a bible passage
3)so i believe in it, therefore i am not a muslim anymore.

the first part is correct. muslims should not believe in bible.
the second part is also right. i quoted the bible.
the third part is wrong. quoting it does not mean i believe in it. there is no logic here. i was quoting it to show wot u should believe.

I qouted the bible verse to show tht Jesus(pbuh) is a muslim. u were not able to show were i went wrong. but i was able to show where u made a mistake in your philosophy. Whos the Faylasoof al-sagheer now?

u say im jahil.
Wot did u mean by jahil?
a child,
an ignorant person, or
an Illiterate?

if u meant a child, then u are crazy, cuz no1 classifys a 19 year old as a child
If u meant illitrate, then ur insane, as after finishing O levels and 2 and a half years of BBA, i cant be called an Illiterate.
if u meant an ignorant person then ur mad, cuz i have been able to reply to all your Questions but u cant justify the violence in bible.

"Baby steps remember?."
Lets take long leaps. bible says tht the in the begenning the eath was covered with water. even though light was not yet created.
Quran says:
"Do not the Unbelievers see
that the heavens and the earth
were joined together (as one
unit of Creation), before
We clove them asunder?"
[Al-Qu'ran 21:30]
Dont u see it DNM? the Quran speaks of the big bang.

to richards comment titled:To Tariq: Jesus did not go to mecca
wen did i say he did???
u dont have to go to makkah to become a muslim

"Like most muslim you keep repeating..."
repeating?
"the falacy that Jesus was a muslim"
its not a fallacy. show me where i was wrong.
Bible says tht Jesus can do NOTHING on his own, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING
yet his judgment is just. why? "because I seek NOT my own will but the will of HIM who SENT me" (John 5:30)
jesus says he seeks the will of god and does wots hes told therefore he has submitted to gods will. and the arabic name for one who submits to gods will is...

"Jesus never called God Allah,."
Really?
Aramaic was the native language of Jesus(pbuh) and in Aramaic the word 'God' is translated as
the word/Lexeme "0hl0". (open any Aramaic Gospel.)
"0hl0" is pronounced as "AaLaH" or "Alah"*


"Titus 2:13
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."

Col. 1:16-17, "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Rev. 2:8, "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again." ..."

Seems like the authors of bible were not able to decide who jesus(pbuh) was. a person who seeked the will of god(muslim) or god himself.

to richards comment titled:"Show them to me"
"Muslims keep saying that the Bible is corrupt. Tariq I would like you to show me some corruptions in the Bible. Then will see if that accusation holds water."
Do i need to? christinas themselves say tht bible is a violent book so it should be discarded(italian) and tht it has fallacies, so God sent jesus(pbuh) to CORRECT it(joe).
your discussion with jeffreyb shows tht bible claims jesus to be god and not god.

u qouted Titus 2:13 Col. 1:16-17 Rev. 2:8. all hinting at jesus's divinity(except titus 2.13)
yet John 5:30 says hes a muslim and tht he can do NOTHING on his own. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING .

Read my comments to joe about the scientific miracles in genesis.
Wot more do u want?

*COMPREHENSIVE ARAMAIC LEXICON at the Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion. And the Peshitta Org.
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