To Raqib: Koran demonstrates Islam is only for Arabs & reading science into and not from Koran
Submitted by Plato (India), Dec 3, 2006 at 02:52
What you are saying is that the Koran which itself claims to be a clear book easy to understand will forever remain opaque to people who speak other languages, unless they become Koranic language pundits.
If it is a clear book easy to understand, cannot people who understand two languages well convey its meaning in another language? . If it is not possible then it means that the book which claims to be clear and easy to understand is a false claim! What it amounts to is all the great translators (Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Pikthal etc) have not conveyed the true meaning to people of other languages. From the evidence in the Koran itself it is not possible and it is not intended for people of other language groups.
Read: 22:2" We have sent this down as an Arabic Koran (qur'anan arabiyyan) that you may undersrtand." (What is the error in understanding this, and how is it out of context?).
26:192-195 "Verily this is the revelation of the of the Universe, which the Trustworthy Spirit (Gabriel) has brought down upon thy heart,so thou mayest be one of warners, in clear Arabic language (bi lisanin arabiyyin mubinin)" . Again can you find how this can be misunderstood.
41:44" If we had made it a Qu ran in some non-Arabic language (a'jamiyyan) they would say: Why are not its verses made intelligible? Is it non-Arabic (a jamiyyun) and Arabic (arabiyyun)? (i.e. non-Arabic revelation given to an Arabian prophet)". ( It is crystal clear to me.What is the error in this verse's translation and how is it out of context?)
Reading those verses however which way you want can you come to any conclusion (other than by some Olympic standard mental gymnastics) that this 'revelation' is meant only for the Arabic speaking people? Has the translator created confusion? Why would he want to create confusion.
Also you have at least one verse in the Koran which says the preachings are meant for the Queen of cities (Mecca) and its surrounding places. And as you yourself say:Qur?an is made easy for those who can speak and read Quranic Arabic.
IS ALLAH PREJUDICED AGAINST THE VAST MAJORITY OF HUMAN KIND WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND QURANIC ARABIC?
Deedat's scholarship includes what can only be termed 'numerology' in the Koran. Watching one of his video debates with a Christian missionary you see subtitles scrolling at the bottom saying what the missionary is saying is false and when he is speaking the missionary is not given a chance to do the same.How would you feel if when you are arguing a point somebody without your knowledge flashes a sign that you are lying? Why would the Pope want to debate somebody like him? And I would think, faith being a private matter, is best discussed in private (behind closed doors) than din it (proselytise) into the ears of willing and UNWILLING people.
And you have the 'scholar' Dr.Zakir Naik, who as I showed in the last post, when confronted with contradiction in the Koran calls it blasphemy to doubt what the Koran says! And you consider these people 'scholars'. So every time the Pope raises an inconvenient point (in a putative debate) he would get something like:Allah says in the beginning of this verse that those who exploit the information contained in this passage to raise doubts about its authenticity are equally interested in promulgating blasphemy and denying His unity
You also say "
'What is the Koran' at the website: www.theatlantic.com/issues. It also reveals the kind of " molestation" of the Koran that took place.
I have strayed from the main topic of science in the Koran to show how the excuse of translation errors is the protective cloak used by Muslims when confronted with scientific, ethical, and moral problems with their scriptures.
Coming to Bucailism. This is the term now used to describe the silly sport of discovering all known scientific theories in the Koran. And ALWAYS after the discovery. No Muslim has ever discovered a scientific theory in the Koran before a scientist did. Strange. I feel sorry for those poor scientists slogging away and the moment they discover anything along comes our friends from the Islamic world who tell him/her breathlessly that it was already there in black and white in their Koran which was revealed 1400 years ago.All the credit for your discovery should really go the Koran!
So we are told the Big Bang theory, black holes, the speed of light, worm holes, the string theory ( I have not seen this one but I am betting some one has found it in the Koran) and cures for arthritis, blood pressure, TB, cancer (and when a cure for cancer is discovered it will be apparent that the clear book already had the cure) were already there in the Koran if anybody cared to look.
Why don't our scientists just learn Quranic Arabic and discover all there is to discover in the 114 chapters of the Koran instead of wasting public money on expensive gadgets and damage their health doing all kinds of dangerous stuff when Allah has made it so easy for us?
As somebody pointed out why is it that you can only read science INTO the Koran and not FROM it. Maybe as the Prophets's biographers constantly keep saying. ' And Allah knows best'.
People of faith want to have their cake and eat it too. They tell us that reason tells you their faith is justified but when you show them what is wrong with their reasoning they plead faith cannot be reudced to logic and reason a la Zakir Naik.See, the original Arabic verses of The Holy Qur?an kept unmolested from the day it has been revealed. " For a difference in scholarship between Deedat and Zakir Naik read the article. And that would surely floor the Pope to the delight of all would it not?
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