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in response to reader comment: Hell,heaven,God,Sin are abstract concepts which when you are expaining in real terms will falter.

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Oct 28, 2007 at 22:00

See here you are coming to the Biblical way of Comparison. House Fire are concrete whereas the hell is a concept which cannot be explained. It is not correct to ascertain that Bible says Hell is there so hell is there.
So because we cannot see it then it's not true? Logic is not concrete; it is abstract and assumed. Your argument uses logic so therefore since it relies on an unproven concept, it is false (if you caught my irony, my argument was self-defeating as well since I used logic).

Now, the only way to prove Hell would be to prove that the Bible is true and not some ridiculous writings that you believe it is.

There cannot be any divine birth of Jesus since the birth of whole Human beings with flesh happens with the intercourse of Male and Female.

Your statement actually explains itself. The birth was divine so therefore it did not need a NATURAL conception by sexual intercourse between male and female.

Jesus was a non entity for them he was against the prevailing social order of the time and some people believed that he is the King of the people and that is why he was crucified. He was crucified alongwith criminals. So the people who had committed the norms of the prevailing social justice (after proper trial) cannot be considered sinful. Imagine a good soul rebels against the existing Church and the Church punishes them. Are the churches are correct then?

The Jews crucified them because he criticized their hypocrisy. The Romans killed him because of fear of his authority.

And Jesus made it clear that ALL MEN are sinful. And if the person did what was right, then he is not in the wrong. The Church would either be in the wrong for punishing them or misunderstood.

If the prevailing customs of the Christs' Time were having Good intentions to kill the rebels and criminals and the people who ordered the judgement,carried out the judgement were correct as per the existing norms of the society. It was not a murder in the strict sense. There was Court,Judgement and guidance for the Crucification and all were instruments in the whole event. Why God so omnipresent and omniscient cannot have avoided the crucification which is a very small thing because he created the entire universe in 7 days with all the living creatures,organisms,planets and what not? Here you are contraduicting yourself that on One side he is handling an eternal Hell and Heaven for infinite years (say trillions and trillions of years ) and on the other side he cannot handle a few people who are murderers of the Son of God. Your God is able to allot Hell or heaven eternal after analyzing each of the deeds of the Human concerned and allot him infinite eternal years in heaven or Hell. Is it not contradictory. Suppose I am human and say my age at death is 80 years. OK after agreeing that I have committed sins for the entire life of me say 80* 365*24"60*60 seconds ie

4.355472 billion sins which is finite on the assuption that I am committing a sin per second for my waking and sleeping time during birth to death. even this is finite. But your eternal Hell is infinite and can stretch to trillions trillions trillions and so on. Is your God not so cruel? But Christ's teaching that you show the other Chin for people who beat you contradicts this concept. Is it not? Christ would have given Heaven for almost all Human beings considering his compassion. So where does the church comes in between?

Don't pull Christ in as if he opposed his Father since Christ was the one who gave this message. Christ was compassionate but he hated evil, that is why he offered to cleanse the sins of those who would take his sacrifice.

Your argument states that finite sins ought to result in a finite consequence. That ignores the fact that one sin is worthy of eternal separation from God. Just because finite precedes both sins and consequence, doesn't mean they lead to one another. A finite sin CAN demand infinite consequences.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/flaws.html

An amusing site which uses the King James Version (which is not used in serious studies) and that it ignores context and FIGURATIVE SPEECH. About the lying spirits matter, God can allow evil spirits to persuade people if he wishes, but God does not do the lying himself. He does not bend man to his will but the man has the choice to listen to the evil spirit or not.

The problem is that you are interleaving the absolute concepts with the actualities and so it errors.

We are going in circles now.

Perhaps we should move on to these biblical 'inconsistencies' you speak of.

regards,

Shri devi.

God Bless

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