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Submitted by Sohail (United Kingdom), Oct 25, 2006 at 07:14

Then you said the following:

And he married a nine year old with God's permission? He had over four wives with Allah's permission? Allah let him marry his step son's wife?

Solomon had 700 wives according to the bible and God (who you believe to be Jesus) didn't care.

Then you said the following:

He insulted the pagans...

No the pagans insulted him according to the Quran.

Then you said the following:

Genesis 1:26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness"

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3)

Genesis 1:26 is not talking about the trinity and if itis then show us the proof.

Genesis 6:3 is talking about the holy spirit and it says it will not challenge because man his mortal and man days will be a hundred and twenty years which is wrong because the average age person dies today is about 80 years in western world and in Africa people live no more than 60 years.

Then you said the following:

If you truly believe that Jesus is the Messiah, then why do you not believe him to be God's own son? I promised you that I would give you verses that show that Jesus is God:

And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel." (Genesis 3:15)

So this passage says that the woman's offspring (yet there is no mention of a man's offspring) and the serpent will conflict. Jesus had no father, and crushed the serpent.

I see him, but not now;
I behold him, but not near.
A star will come out of Jacob;
a scepter will rise out of Israel.
He will crush the foreheads of Moab,
the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. (Numbers 24:17)

Jesus was the star of Jacob.

1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -

3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;

4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist. (Isaiah 11:1-5)

This is how Isaiah clarifies that the person who will judge is the same as the person who has the Spirit on him. And this person is a descendent of Jesse. Jesus.

In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. (Daniel 7:13)

Son of Man was Jesus' favorite title for himself.

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [b] are from of old,
from ancient times. [c] "(Micah 5:2)

So this Messiah was from ancient times. In other words, eternity.

And now, the most important:

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

This man was to be God. He will be called, MIGHTY GOD. This is directly opposite of what Muhammed teaches. Only one can be right! I will address the issues on what Jesus says of himself and how he fulfills the attributes of God.

Genesis 3:15 is not talking about Jesus it is talking about Adam and Eve when they sinned:

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [a] and hers;
he will crush [b] your head,
and you will strike his heel." 16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you." 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

Number 24:17 is not talking about Jesus because Jesus didn't crush Moab or the sons of Sheth and never will because Moab doesn't existed anymore.

Isaiah 11:1-5 is not talking about Jesus because Jesus is a descendant of David and of Jesse and anyway according to Isaiah 11:4 the Jesse descendant shall slay the wicked and Jesus didn't do that and who is this Jesse anyway?

Daniels 7:13 is not talking about Jesus because it says the following:

13 "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. Daniel 7:13-14

Jesus was giving authority glory and sovereign power over all people and nations and men of every language because according to you he was killed.

Micah 5:2 is not talking about Jesus because it says the following:

1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, [a]
for a siege is laid against us.
They will strike Israel's ruler
on the cheek with a rod. 2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [b] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [c] are from of old,
from ancient times. [d] " 3 Therefore Israel will be abandoned
until the time when she who is in labor gives birth
and the rest of his brothers return
to join the Israelites. 4 He will stand and shepherd his flock
in the strength of the LORD,
in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God.
And they will live securely, for then his greatness
will reach to the ends of the earth. 5 And he will be their peace.

Bethlehem Ephrathah is a clan and does not refer to a town. Bethlehem Ephrathah who was the son of Caleb's second wife Ephrathah and anyway if you were to read the rest of the chapter it will become clear that it refers to a military leader.

Isaiah 9:6 I will explain later.

Sohail

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