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in response to reader comment: Response to Sohail, divorce, temporary marrige, and other issues

Submitted by Sohail (United Kingdom), Feb 7, 2007 at 11:30

Response: God tells Mohamed to stone and than immediatelly tells him not to stone? Or if that is not the case, how would Mohamed even dare to take life of other perosn without God's command in the first place?

Allah didn't told Muhammad (pbuh) to do this, Muhammad adopted from biblical law.

Response: I was not telling that Koran is commanding it but that is is practices in Islam based on Islamic tradition. (Koran 2:229-230 created ground for it) It is practiced for example in India and Iran. But the main emphasis of my comment was not on the manner of divorce, but that it creates a ground for additional hypocracy through a new "formal marrige" THat is already planned to be broken just to fulfill a matter of law. I believe there is a term for it -"Muhalil"

In his book, "Asbab al-Nuzul" (p.46), the Suyuti states that this woman came to Muhammad and told him:

"‘Abdul-Rahman (the Muhallil whom she wed after she was divorced) has divorced me without having any sexual intercourse with me. May I go back to my ex-husband?' Muhammad said to her: ‘No, that is not permissible until Abdul-Rahman has sex with you first, then you may go back to Rafa'a."'

No it doesn't:

A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold Together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (Men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah. If ye (judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by Allah; so do not transgress them if any do transgress the limits ordained by Allah, such persons wrong (Themselves as well as others). So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand. Quran 2:229-30

Response: Thanks for finding the verse for me, this is what I had exactly on mind. I was telling that there were rules that governed the whole process. The Jew had to wait for a month and had to free her if he did not like her. He was not allowed to sell her! This was a big advancement for the historical period it was introduced in. This is quite contrary to Islamic tradition full of rape right out of the battle field. You are right You can marry captives in the Old Testament. But you can not rape them nor sleep with them without marrige it is a sin.

It this shows what kind of prophet Moses was; a really bad one.

Response: What does this have to do with anything. It tells that you should avoid temptation and places onus on you. Not like in Islam where woman has to be covered so the man does not get tempted. Every person is responsible to deal with their temptations. It is fair that if I feel tempted that I deal with it and work on changing my own circumstances. It is a very proactive approach.

Well look at the punishments for temptation. In the Bible women are supposed to cover their heads.

Sohail

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