Reply to Steven Connolly
Submitted by Populous (Canada), Apr 11, 2006 at 22:01Submitted by Steve Connolly, Sep 24, 2002 at 06:06
"it has been established that the narrator of such matters was in error and it has been reasonably established that she was 18 at the time of her marriage."
Her married her when she was 6 and had intercourse when she turned 9. Between 6 and 9 he practiced 'Mofakhada', as per her desctiption of the events, which is rubbing the penis outside the vagina between the thighs. Aisha goes to great details explaining how her life was with the prophet from beginning to end. For example how she used to play with dolls with her friends and when he came home once, her friends ran to hide in the house. She also explained that playing with dolls was forbidden among for muslim kids and it was a special treat he allowed to her and her friends.
"Or we hear that Taqiah (the so called secret agenda - dissimmulation) is practised by the Muslims or enshrined in the Qur'an when in fact it has been completely condemned by the Islamic scholars who have stated that there is no evidence for this practice within the Islamic texts."
No evidence on permission to lie in islamic text? That is an outright lie.
Here is one of dozens of stories where Mohammad put forth the seeds of 'Taquiah' by allowing his assassin to lie: Ahraf was one of the first poets mohammad had assasinated, before Mohammad's death close to 70 more poets and writers would meet their demise on his orders. It is interesting to note that the assasin bin Maslama used to be a good friend with Kaab. Maslama went to Kaab's house and called him out telling him he bears his a gift, when Kaab came out Maslama cut him. Frankly I don't know which is worse, that mohammad sends assasins to kill poets or that Steve Connolly is distracted with the issue of of whether lying is allowed or not:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271:Narrated Jabir:
"The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."
"Or that certain verses abrogate other verses and so on (where is the proof of this when the Qur'an clearly states otherwise in one passage)."
Mohammad himself informed his 'readers' about the issue of abrogations when the readers asked him why some verses and chapters contradict each other. Steve where do you come from denying abrogations? In fact abrogations exist in about 60% of the chapters.
"The fact is the Qur'an requires detailed study to demonstrate that it is, unlike other scriptures, a miracle of reason and content."
It is not that much of a miracle. If you read the old poems and the books that survived burning by islam, you will see that the koran is not that special when compared to the skill of the writers during those days..
"Nowhere does the Qur'an sanction the wanton killing of non-Muslims (or Muslims):"
So because it does not sanction the 'wanton' killing then it is a good book?
That is like a guy bragging because he never been to jail, or a guy that brags about the fact that he takes care of his children.
"Another rich seam of ignorance concocts that non-Muslims are not the equal of the Muslims under Islamic rule due to their being humiliated and having to pay high taxes which the Muslims don't pay. In point of fact it is the duty of the Muslim to protect the non-Muslim by Jihad on the battlefield if necessary. The non-Muslims have to pay a small tax which absolves them from military service"
Steve, if you want to keep a population under control, you keep them away from the army. You keep away from policing. Then when they want to revolt you have nothing to fear from them. And that is exactly what the Jizya system garantee: Safety of the muslim class to do as they wish to the non-muslim class without fear from reprisal from the non-muslim class.
"otherwise they can avoid paying it by doing their military service alongside the Muslims."
Absolutely wrong. Sometime a caliph would allow such an act but only under conditions like with the mamlooks or when the Tatar attacked.
"Muslims have taxes which are far more onerous but which only apply to them."
Those taxes are either optional which equates charity or are applied to all muslim and non-muslim alike in muslim states.
For the record, Steve Connelly the post you wrote did not offer any concrete evidence to support any of the outrageous claims you made. Check your sources.
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