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Our dear Jon and his little qash wa tibn part deux

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Aug 3, 2008 at 16:47

Our dear Jon who is an atheist (sic) as you shall see later wrote

>1. Yes, I can provide evidence that "the overwhelming majority of Muslims oppose religiously based violence". There have been a number of polls on public opinion and the political views of Muslims. The recent Gallup poll of 50,000 Muslims worldwide was one example. In it, a very clear majority of respondents opposed the 9/11 attacks and religious violence. There are other studies. Actually, Daniel Pipes summarizes them neatly: http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/05/how-many-islamists.html and even he would not contradict my statement (no studies indicate a majority of Muslims supporting religious violence).

You are very wrong. in 2002 the Pew organization conducted a study that was a global survey and the following question was posed to Muslims:

"some people think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Other people believe that no matter what the reason this kind of violence is never justified. Do you personally feel this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified"

Guess what was the answer? Let us take the case of Lebanon: 73% of Muslims in Lebanon agreed that suicide bombing in defense of islam is justifiable and 82% felt it is "ever" justifiable in the defense of Islam.

There you have it

Your claim is bogus

>I stand by my point that it is wrong to put all Muslims into a single category of being "violent". This is just as wrong as determining that Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, or, yes, Christians were inherently violent because of attacks by any members of these groups on other groups.

You are wrong again. As was pointed out by Sam Harris you will never find a jain that is a terrorist because Jainism has great regard for all forms of life. islam? It tells its followers like you to fight the this and chop the that and to slay the polytheists and atheists like you. You will be told to convert ot islam or you will have the sword. Et viola you have real terrorists that conduct their atrocities hoping to get the 72 virgins or in the case of Mohamed Atta the psycopath the boys of your Allah's little heaven as he was not really in virgins.

And the muslims love to tell us how great Muhammad was and that they have to follow his sunna but he was no more than an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester too.

>If you believe that Islam is by its nature violent, that is a separate argument. I was responding to William Barthway's comment, which was based on news reports of violence by Muslims.

Yes islam is a violent human idea

>2. I never claimed that Muslims and Christians are in consensus on Jesus' role. I said that there are similarities between Christianity and Islam, which I think many American Christians are not aware of.

Could you name them?Oh would this question be regarded as qash wa tibn our dear Jon?

>Both religions (and Judaism) are monotheistic and Abrahamic.

Wrong again. If you read Q9:30 it becomes very clear that your Arabian Allah regards the jews and Christians as polytheists

>They share a related story of creation. There are many further parallels. Obviously, they are not the same religion, but claiming that I claimed that they are is a rather silly straw man argument.

Oh the qash and tibn again. I just want to know why do Muslims like you when confronted tell us it is qash wa tibn? I read it as you are beyond clueless and you have no answer.

You told us that Muslims and Christians regard Jesus as a prophet and I told you that your claim is bogus. What is wrong with that? But wiat: The Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic says that Jesus is both prophet and God. Do you want o know more? Oh qash wa tibn again...

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