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I can get you hours of video on Madrasa (Pesantren) activities if you like.....
Reader comment on article: Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam
in response to reader comment: During prayers, they pray, I bet.

Submitted by Muhammad (Indonesia), Feb 5, 2008 at 07:04

As you might already know, 'Fridays prayers' consist of two parts. First the sermon around 30 minutes long (horizontal/social) followed by the prayer ritual (vertical/transcendental) for around 10 minutes.

I'm 2 months older than mr Obama and during he was in Indonesia, Muslims were politically marginalized by then Suharto's regime. Unlike today's sermons which are all about 'corruption is our enemy', it was 'pro' goverment and was all about goverment's programs such as Pancasila and of course 'beware of communism'.

That's when many (not all) kids would go running around, shouting, yelling, play hide and seek, etc..... as the adults were....sleepy.....throughout the +/-30 minutes sermon before the +/-10 minutes praying ritual. Yes, during prayer time....we did pray...while sometimes giggling among us kids....but on some occasions, we missed the prayer completely. Shame on us.

Please read my short comment (http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/119487) regarding the main difference in policies of teaching religion between Public Schools and Catholic schools in Indonesia. In 1967-1970, Mr Obama was registered at the Catholic School as a Muslim so he must have not learnt Islam there.

If in 1970-1971 he was enrolled at the public school as a Muslim, then theoritically, as mr Pipes's original argument, he must have had studied and practiced 'part' of Islam (the curricula was probably about the praying ritual and memorizing the arabic of short surahs read from the latin version of Juz Amma books, etc.).

Was mr Obama enrolled the public shool as a Muslim? Mr Obama's former friend was interviewed on local TV the other day and he said that Barry would go out when Islamic Studies class began. (Note: Here in Indonesia, students study at a fix class and different teachers would come in to teach different subjects). Because most of the public school students are Muslims so we stayed at the classroom, as the Islamic Study teacher comes in, my Christian, Hindu and Buddhist friends would go out of the main class to go study their own religion at different classes. Me learning Christianity during my Catholic school days didn't make me a Christian but gave me alot of positive insight of what Christianity is all about.

The Fox's 'reciting Qur'an at madrasa clip' (at about the "-2:20" to "-2:12" mark) was not shot in Indonesia. Like most people, we eat Pizza, not wear it at the top of our head as hats (meant as a joke, not an insult)....and....we don't use our middle finger to recite the Qur'an either....another different culture.

The ABC's Video was probabbly shot on one Saturday morning, cause every students was wearing the Indonesian scout uniform, a must on every Saturdays. The Muslim pupils must have been learning the praying ritual at the class (not at the Mosque) as an extra curriculum activity which are also only conducted every Saturdays. They were behaving alright, after all, the teacher must have been there and they knew the video would end up broadcasted sometime...somewhere...

Anyways, that video only potrays today's situations. To be fair, research on this issue should focus more on what was the situation like during those years at mr.Obama's public school (only rich kids went to SD Menteng 1) and wether he was attending the Islamic Studies class at the time.

It is very important for US Citizens to have a President that do not tell lies. Not about his past, not under oath, nor about WMD. After 16 years, its about time to have an honest leader.


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Osama, America and EURABIA [45 words]

benny Feb 28, 2008 02:29

Has it come to this?? [153 words]

Feed UP American Feb 27, 2008 12:21

  Islam is more than a religion [89 words]

Woodwalker Feb 28, 2008 18:49

  Reply;Islam is more than a religion [76 words]

lateefat Mar 8, 2008 05:41

  Leaving religion out of political decisions? [103 words]

walknwood Mar 12, 2008 00:41

Does Barack Obama Church use the King James version of the Bible? [13 words]

Sherry M. Carr/Wilburn Feb 27, 2008 09:44

The House of Saud, fundamentalists and hijackers of peaceful religion. [735 words]

P R Goodfellow Feb 27, 2008 08:11

" Where have all the patriots gone" [64 words]

Ole Fisker Feb 27, 2008 04:52

Obama a hot potato ! [175 words]

TROY Feb 26, 2008 02:24

  Obamalama Bama Lu- Sweden [141 words]

Tom Swede Feb 27, 2008 08:22

  North EUROPE in political and social chaos because of intolerance created by the Islam devotees [335 words]

TROY Feb 28, 2008 00:08

Have we lost our minds? [311 words]

Leo Feb 25, 2008 18:14

  another mistake [13 words]

Bobby N. Salyer Feb 27, 2008 17:01

  definitly [119 words]

B.williame Feb 29, 2008 10:33

  that darn flag pin [52 words]

Tom Mar 1, 2008 09:37

Be careful what you ask for. [791 words]

FmeNikita Feb 24, 2008 23:29

Obama beyond the change retoric [278 words]

Larry Feb 24, 2008 14:18

Told Ya So [601 words]

marie thomson Feb 22, 2008 16:34

Islam: the latest faith to turn everyone into "chosen". [35 words]

Mike Feb 18, 2008 23:22

  Incomplete verse and misleading translation [132 words]

Amro Helwa Feb 19, 2008 22:29

  to complete. [137 words]

B.williame Feb 29, 2008 10:39

could the DOD grant Sen. Obama a Top Secret security clearance BEFORE his becoming a Commander-in-Chief ? [5 words]

Mike Feb 18, 2008 21:41

  He would never submit... [124 words]

wing Feb 20, 2008 23:17

  Obama wouldn't get entry level CIA, FBI, Border Patrol jobs due to his associations [58 words]

darla Apr 24, 2008 19:40

  I n the United States you cannot get a security clearance to work in the military or public jobs if you have family with foreign affiliation or living abroad. The same should apply to Obama. [23 words]

TG May 22, 2008 02:20

Muslims can and do attend Obama's church [10 words]

Redmond Feb 17, 2008 16:57

  Obama/Osama [114 words]

Cynthia Feb 26, 2008 17:45

Even if Obama were a Muslim, so what? [652 words]

Ben Martin Feb 12, 2008 23:32

  ignorance and fear [326 words]

Deb Feb 17, 2008 05:45

  So What??? [184 words]

Josh Feb 19, 2008 09:47

  Iam a muslim first and american next is ok for you?astonishing [120 words]

naren Mar 18, 2008 06:44

No religious test [408 words]

Joe Erwin Feb 11, 2008 17:09

  Agree with Joe Erwin [102 words]

Sue Feb 19, 2008 12:27

  Mr. Erwin you slightly mis-state the constitution [320 words]

Bruce Feb 27, 2008 17:06

  Islamic terrorists are not the only terrorists [245 words]

Joe Erwin Feb 28, 2008 07:49

Who cares? [176 words]

The Dogg Feb 11, 2008 17:04

  Wake up. [228 words]

AP Feb 14, 2008 23:17

  Get your self out of the worst place on earth! [31 words]

A Person Feb 19, 2008 22:37

changing parties [47 words]

j allen Feb 10, 2008 21:42

  It goes both ways [282 words]

Joe Erwin Feb 11, 2008 18:27

McCarthyism? [50 words]

Pam Feb 8, 2008 16:49

What does 1st to 4th grade kids do during friday prayers? [49 words]

Muhammad Feb 3, 2008 00:07

  During prayers, they pray, I bet. [134 words]

Gandydancer Feb 4, 2008 07:19

  ⇒ I can get you hours of video on Madrasa (Pesantren) activities if you like..... [574 words]

Muhammad Feb 5, 2008 07:04

  Sure, they run around during prayers!!!! [4 words]

Jaladhi Feb 5, 2008 17:05

  Thank you, Muhammad [44 words]

Gandydancer Feb 6, 2008 19:37

  Not Taqiyya [56 words]

Gandydancer Feb 7, 2008 18:05

  more questions, etc. [476 words]

Gandydancer Feb 7, 2008 19:28

  The core of terrorism is 'hatred' and that can only be defeated by 'love'. [336 words]

Muhammad Feb 11, 2008 21:04

  Thanks again, Muhammed [216 words]

Gandydancer Feb 12, 2008 18:28

  Thanks to you too GD [345 words]

Muhammad Feb 17, 2008 16:22

  a bit more [94 words]

Gandydancer` Feb 19, 2008 07:49

  What a nice comment! [77 words]

Im indonesian Jun 2, 2008 12:05

If Obama gets the nomination, I would vote for the Republican, and I have been a life long democrat. [19 words]

Peter Williams Jan 31, 2008 22:08

  Who Cares??!! [136 words]

Aundrea Feb 23, 2008 09:34