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To Shakeel: A great triumph for Islam

Reader comment on item: Bolstering Moderate Muslims
in response to reader comment: RE:To Shakeel: Satanic law II

Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), May 24, 2007 at 02:21

Shakeel you are in Square brackets and you wrote:

[This is the clarification, why I said that Muhammad (sws) has been sent as a mercy for people. He was last of all Rasools, means; God will never put mankind into a trial of Rasool anymore.]

You just don't seem to get it Shakeel. Are people expected to be so naive that if someone proclaims to them he is the last of the Rasools they must accept it. I kept asking you for the 'crystal clear proof' that you say exists for Muhammad's claim. Where is it? Why were the poor Arabs the only ones made to go through the trial by fire of the last Rasool. The mercy for the people that Muhammad brought included the slaughter that Allah commanded him to commit before taking prisoners. You have clarified nothing.

[As you can see in verses, God sends Rasool toward some nation, who gives them message but people deny and reject it and then the punishment comes.]

Nice clean circular Islamic logic. Verses spouted by the Rasool says he has been sent by Allah. And since the verses themselves say they are from Allah it must be true. No wonder rejecters of such a straightforward truth are to be ruthlessly punished or made to pay the jiziya.

[Rasool is always a trial on people.]

And all this while I thought he was a mercy. Big difference Shakeel. Take a peek in the dictionary. Trial also means: "subjection to suffering or grievous experiences; a distressed or painful state.'"A very good description of what the Rasool brought into the world.

[When I say, people destroy themselves, I mean; people destroy themselves by denying the message which Rasool brings to them.]

You have yet to show us the crystal clear proof that exists prooving the Rasool is who he claims he is. People are not crazy to self-destruct. Nor are they crazy to believe anyone who proclaims himself a Rasool.

[Because these same people, if accepted and believed, would be rewarded by God instead of getting punishment from Him]

Bring us the proof, Shakeel, and we will accept and believe. We are not masochists wanting to suffer hellfire. And we have some brains, pea-sized though they maybe, to be wary of people claiming to be carriers of messages from Allah.

[Or in other words, our final outcome depends on us although God's grace always plays major part in it. It is God's grace on us that He accepts our good deeds and give them some value otherwise our good deeds do not mean anything to Him.]

Wrong again. Remember God has made a contract with Muslims to give them paradise if they kill or are killed in his cause. His grace does not play a part in this.

9:111 GOD has bought from the believers their lives and their money in exchange for Paradise. Thus, they fight in the cause of GOD, willing to kill and get killed. Such is His truthful pledge in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran - and who fulfills His pledge better than GOD? You shall rejoice in making such an exchange. This is the greatest triumph.

Does Allah talk of grace in this. This is as plain a contract to kill or be killed for pleasurable reward as can be set out without a escape clause of grace in it. Killing and getting killed, as the verse says 'is the greatest triumph' in Islam. It is being demonstrated everyday in Islamic countries.


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