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To Shakeel: Pure madrass stuff

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in response to reader comment: RE:To Shakeel: Give us pea-brained people some solid proof of Rasool's prophethood

Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), May 24, 2007 at 09:51

Shakeel you are in square brackets.

A delightful post Shakeel. Pure madrassa stuff. Which one was it, Wahabi, Deobandi, Brelvi? After reading this post I know I am up against a brick wall, but I have a thick skull so I will bang away.


He does. I gave a Koranic verse before where clearly Allah asks people to misbehave and then gleefully destroys them. Do you read my posts at all? 017.016 SHAKIR: And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.

[He only allows them to misbehave and then catches them when their time limit is over.]

Allah never asks people to misbehave]

Nice little game Allah has set up with Iblis (recall the dialogue between god and Shaitan in heaven). Under Allah's benign gaze Iblis manages to snare people into sin for God to harvest them for hell.

[Strictly speaking, Allah has given us a freedom to intend only not to act in the given time limit.At the last day, we will be judged by our intentions not actions.]

Islamically speaking the intention behind all our actions should be the glorification of Allah and his oneness as you demonstrated with story of Ali in one of your posts. When you kill an infidel, if the intention was that it was in the cause of Allah, then Allah is pleased. Is that any different from human sacrifice?

[The Divine Punishment can come in any form. It always came in the form of natural disasters in the past but in case of Moses and Muhammad, it came with sword of believers]

Since we are now living outside the Moses-Muhammad time window, when the tsunami hit did all the children who died deserve the punishment? Or did divine punishment by Allah-induced disasters stop with Muhammad just as Rasoolhood did?

[Rasool has a direct link with God, he is in a constant guidance of God, Rasool cannot do mistake and if he does any, God interferes at once and rectify him.]

Sometimes those links seem to fade under some heavenly storms. The Rasool's link with Allah broke when He failed to inform him that the Banu Quraiza were planning to betray him or that somebody from the Banu Nadir would try to drop a boulder on him. Allah also failed to inform him of the Banu Nadir's treasure so that he had to torture Safiya's husband to death to reveal its location. God also refused to tell where it was located. Since Allah did not interfere with the Prophet's torturing of Kinana it was either because guidance failed, He also did not know where the treasure was or He wanted Kinana tortured to death..

[For example, Muhammad (sws) was preaching to chiefs of Quraish, a blind companion came and asked some questions regarding Islam. Muhammad (sws) became angry and God interfered and asked him to teach the companion who wants to know than those chiefs who don't want to hear at all.]

A touching story. Allah's interference seems to occur at not very crucial moments. Has this hadith been filtered through Ilmul Rijala?

[Rasool is neither dominated nor killed by his opponents.]

Shakeel have't you heard that the Prophet died a martyr according to some of his biographers. All the traditions say and you also admit that for thirteen he was dominated /persecuted (mildly) by the Meccans.There was very little he could except seek the protection of his powerful uncle, not Allah. He seemed to have suffered excruciating pain during his last hours according to the reliable traditions because of a poisoning incident. The Prophet himself said according to the tradition below that it was the cause of his death. See below.

"The death-sickness of the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam was the result of a Jewish conspiracy. This happened because some Jews in Khaybar invited the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and some of his companions for a meal which they had poisoned. The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and his companions began to eat, then, suddenly, he sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: "Everybody stop eating, because the food just spoke to me and told me that it was poisoned." Recalling this whilst on his deathbed, the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: "I can still feel the effect of what I ate in Khaybar, therefore, the time for my death time has come." (Abu Daawood)." (http://www.alminbar.com/khutbaheng/dofp.htm#beginning)

[The reason is that God has a promise with Rasool that He will surely help Rasool and his fellows and punish their opponents.]

This is one covenant that Allah has kept. God has been punishing the opponents of the Rasool at the hands of his followers for 1400 years now without any end in sight.

[The falsehood of Musalyma is that he was killed and dominated by Muslims.]

A very revealing statement, exposing Muslim thinking. Muslayma was dominated and killed by Muslims. Proof that Muslyama was a false prophet. Q.E.D!! And applying it to the present whenever Muslims kill and dominate others the falsehood of the infidels is proved. When the infidels dominate and kill Muslims it is persecution.

[This is a special promise with Rasool.

Surely, those that oppose God and his Rasool, shall be humiliated. God has decreed, "I will surely triumph – I and My Rasool". Powerful is God and Mighty]

Allah sure loves to humiliate, destroy and kill the opponents of the Rasool. But in the last few centuries the shoe has been on the other foot and Muslims are humiliated, and are getting killed - by themselves.

[And this was the crystal-clear sign, Muhammad (sws) has proclaimed it to everyone, people of Arabia had seen that Muhammad (sws) can neither be killed nor be dominated and his opponents must be humiliated.]

AT LAST. THE CRYSTAL CLEAR SIGN. SURAH 58 VERSES:2-21! First, what is the big deal in Allah triumphing over us puny creatures.Why does the creator of the Universe crow about his ability to triumph over powerless humans? Were we such a threat to his power? What an insecure being your Allah is. Alexander the Great, Stalin, Mao and so many others were also not killed or dominated by anyone. They also managed to humiliate millions of their opponents. So were they also Rasools?

[FYI: In Quran, Muhammad (sws) has been called Nazir-Warner and Bashir-Giver of glad-tidings a number of times]

Nazir - he certainly was. Warning of humiliation, death and destruction. All your posts have been full of death words and warnings of humiliation just like in the Koran. So what are the glad tidings you talk of??


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