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To Shakeel: Bias is sunnah?

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in response to reader comment: RE:To Shakeel: Don't swallow all those moulvi stories

Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Jun 1, 2007 at 06:28

[The special treatment for his uncle was due to because he was already converted to Islam and did not leave Macca and was living there without declaring his conversion.]

What a story, Shakeel. Abbas, a rich uncle of the Prophet goes to war against the Muslims being secretly a Muslim all the time,gets captured and the discomfort he felt in captivity distresses the Rasool. This is not bias towards a relative but bias towards a Muslim which is halal. What a tall story. Also goes to prove what non-Muslims have known all along, Muslims are incapable of impartiality when the choice is between Muslims and infidels. There is one kind of justice for muslims and another for non-muslims in Islamic jurisprudence. This is one Sunnah Muslims have been religiously following.

[He returned the ransom after receiving permissions from other Muslims.]

He asks permission to return the ransom given by his daughter, that is not partiality towards her? You expect his devoted followers to refuse?

[Ansaars did not protest when they knew that Muhammad (sws) were going to live with them.]

My take on this is that the Ansars got conned into believing (maybe he gave them visions of paradise) that having the Rasool among them was a greater blessing than the loot he gave to the Muhajirs. You forget that the Muhajirs also had the good luck of living in his holy presence.

[I remember; when you talked about human sacrifice. You must decide who has a greater priority for you, your son or God?]

As the Americans say, that's a no-brainer. I will take my son any day as opposed to a bloodthirsty God, even if it means I have to spend the rest of eternity in his hell. Muslims may be willing to behead their sons, a la Ibrahim, as blood-witness of their servitude to a baleful Being. What can you say of a person like Rasool Ibrahim who is willing to kill his son to please a God who is so unsure and insecure about the loyalty of his slave that he orders him to kill his son to prove it. This from Allah who claims he already knows what is in Ibrahim's mind, but insists on putting the old man through that excruciating mental torture. If you read that in a story what would you think of characters like Allah and Ibrahim.

[You mistook my word, I didn't say "The punishment is death", I said, "The punishment was death"]

How does that change the enormity of your Rasool's slaughter of his opponents, and Muslim acceptance of them as ordained by Allah?

[Judgment of God is over after Muhammad's believers and rejecters had been rewarded and punished.]

You keep saying that Allah has suspended his judgement for the time being. Where is your scriptural evidence for that. Almost none of your great "scholars" seem to believe that. Arabs rampaged across the world killing and converting after the death of the Rasool. Mohammed's rejecters were punished with death. What did he reward his believers with? Wasn't it the riches he looted from peaceful caravans passing by or nearby tribes who refused his demands. You sanctify the death, destruction and looting that the Rasool indulged in by claiming it was a right given to him by Allah!! Get real. Only indoctrinated Muslims will believe that.

[Today, there is no one can be killed, no one can be forced convert and no apostate can be killed.]

Shakeel, I do wish your view prevails about conversion and apostates. But that is not the view of your respected "scholars".

[Sunnah does not depend on Hadith. Sunnah means the well-trodden-path. When people go from some path again and again, it is trodden and when it is well-trodden, everyone knows this is a pathway or road.]

I had said only that a good part of the sunnah are based on the hadises. Here is what I picked up on googling 'sunnah'

(www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah) 'The explosion of Islam in the 7th and 8th centuries confronted Islamic scholars with a daunting task: to preserve the knowledge of the Sunnah of the Prophet (saas). Hence the science of hadith evaluation was born. We recommend that you read the "Introduction to the Science of Hadith" below to understand the tremendous efforts that were required to sift the true reports from the false reports. The success of the early scholars is also captured below by some collections of hadith'.

(Wikpedia) 'Sunnah, on the other hand, is established through the practical examples and not via these texts in Islamic law, but mostly through the hadith texts as far as prophetic biography, traits and examples are concerned.

You have left all the important questions unanswered.

1.Will YOU, Shakeel, cut your son's throat to please Allah?

2. What will you do with the people of the book who refuse or cannot pay the jiziya when all the world is Muslim?

3. You have not substantiated your claims about Saad's judgement of the Banu Quraiza

4. Your story about the Banu Qaynuka is wrong.

5. What was Asma Bint Marwan's crime for her to be heartlessly murdered?

6. Why was Kinana bin Rabi tortured and killed?

7. You have claimed elsewhere that your Rasool did not marry for sexual pleasure, then why did the Rasool he marry Kinana's former wife, the young 17-year-old Safiya the day after killing most of her relatives?

8. Why does the Koran allow wife-thrashing?

For example, prayers, both individual and congregatory, were taught by Muhammad to his followers by practical example and since then have been transmitted generation-to-generation through practical learning. Their documentation in form of Hadith only happened later, but their actual learning and transmission has always been through practical means. On the other hand, many traits about Muhammad, such as his style, his habits and his dealings with others, is known primarily through hadith.'

Shakeel you are in brackets and you wrote:


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