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Oh, dear. And I thought I'd get some work done tonight ... Moderate? Don't think so.

Reader comment on item: Bolstering Moderate Muslims
in response to reader comment: noah response numero dos

Submitted by Morgaan Sinclair (United States), May 11, 2007 at 20:46

Moderate Muslim 1:

I note that fact that you just called me a liar. You are wrong.

The story I related about Rusia and her husband is 100% correct. I could give you 25 more just like off the top of my head.

There ARE many moderate Muslims, many more than the bad guys. But CAIR, ICNA and ISNA are not among organizations of moderates.

When CAIR threatens to sue people who becomed alarmed that six imams break virtually every single "trip procotol" for an imminent terrorist attack, and they do it on purpose, there's a very ugly thing going on. And then when CAIR threatens to sue alarmed people who called security to check it out, that is psychofascism and veiled threat.

Muslims make up 0.5% of religious orientation in the United States. Jews make up three times that. Buddhists are roughly equal to that. But you do not see Buddhists or Jews or Hindus pushing for special treatment for special exemptions at check-out counters of grocery stores or special foot-washing areas paid for by the tax-payers at airports -- and that's despite the fact that Jews don't eat pork, either, and Theravadan Buddhists can't eat almost a dozen kinds of meat.

I suppose you think you can come on here and nobody is going to know what is going on with CAIR. So, maybe you're right. Maybe there are a few people who don't know, so I'll fill them in, with a chapeau-tip to Andy Whitehead at www.anticairnet.org:

Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a "Ismail" Royer, pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison
for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern
Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan. Royer's illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR.

CAIR's Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi , was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a
terror-financing front group. Khafagi plead guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt.
Khafagi's illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

On December 18, 2002, Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation,
and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things,
making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy
and money laundering. Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.

CAIR Board Member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing,
has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic caliphate, and warned that America will crumble
unless it accepts Islam.

Rabih Haddad served as a CAIR Fundraiser. Haddad was co-founder of the Global Relief Foundation ("GRF").
GRF was designated by the US Treasury Department for financing the Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations
and its assets were frozen by the US Government on December 14, 2001.

[Editor's Note: Royer got off easy. He got off with 22 years on a plea bargain from Leona Brinkema in Virginia. And he got that for cooperating about the Paintball Jihad number run in Virginia. In fact, had he not "sung like a little birdie" he would have, in fact, been sentenced to life.]

To wit, my Muslim women friends are furious at this business that ICNA and ISNA run that a good women covers up. So don't come to me some specious claim like they're not under that pressure. And don't pretend to me that CAIR has no connections to terrorism, or that we don't all know it (or, we do now!).

CAIR has sued Daniel Pipes and Andy Whitehead and LOST both time. Ibrahim Hooper got his hat handed to him by the judge in the Whitehead case who dismissed CAIR's complaint in the strictest terms of dismissal available under the U.S. court system.

And now CAIR threatens to sue ordinary Americans as if they had no right even to defend their lives, as if it's what's necessary to "accommodate" Muslims is to be blown to pieces and fall out fo the sky like a brick while smiling in your finest shy, demure, multi-cultural kinda way.

You may claim that you are a moderate until the sun burns out, but when you start off calling me a liar about what is ABSOLUTELY true, and then back up your assertion with the pretended exoneration that as you are a CAIR person I should agree with you.

Well, I do not. I am offended by your arrogant attitude, by the subterfuge or your denying the absolutely obvious in the treatment of many Muslim men of their wives in this country (daughters, too), and by the cowardice of the way you go about "defending Islam."

If you want to really defend Islam, stop coming on board this like to pretend that you are "defending your faith" against these (pick one or more) stupid, intolerant, mistaken, Islamophobic, infidel Americans who are just so beneath you that they will just hear you call them a liar and be grateful that you condescended to correct them.

If you want to do some good, find a spine, get overseas, get with the Albanians and Kazakhs and Azerbaijanis who are fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fight isn't with the Americans who watched Islamic terrorist attack their people, and then tried to make them feel comfortable in their country.

Your fight is with the people who radicalize Islam ... and it is also the fact that the religion can (and perhaps should) be lost entirely in the future if Muslims are unwilling to remove from it the verses that justify war, the oppression of women, the killing and disenfranchisement of "infidels" [read: anybody that doesn't agree with you], and dhimmitude of non-Muslim peoples in any way whatsoever. Unquestionably the hadith have to simply go. The Medinan verses should (says Akyol) be relegated to an historical context only. Even some of the Meccan verses have to go.

You may think that this ongoing game you guys over and CAIR and ICNA and ISNA is going to just keep right on rolling. But I'm going to tell you this, and it's my best advice to the opportunists among you who simultaneously bully Americans and intimidate REAL moderate Muslims:

One of these days one of your flamboyant little buddies overseas (or maybe here) is going to pull off a nuclear 9/11, and the day that happens is the day that it's all over for Islam. The strained patience of the Western World, pull past its elasticity and sick of whining accompanied by C4 detonated with a mercury switch, is going to snap. And then all the "civility" and "moderation" that you claimed but didn't deliver -- opting instead for hoping you could ride on the coattails of terror and squeeze out of agony the full measure of ill-gotten gains -- is going to catch up with you. And Islam is going to be made an illegal "religion" -- similar to the illegalization of Nazism in Germany after the war -- even by Muslim-majority countries.;

Already in Tunisia there are massive conversions to Christianity, as there are in Indonesia and elsewhere. Note, too, that every time Bin Laden appeals to Arabs living in Israel to "rise up" they ignore them like a stupid dog barking at its shadow in a pothole of water.

The present generation of Muslims has failed Islam as no other in history. Rife with a pride that is an embarrassment even to look at, with strutting oppressive men whose only claim to fame is that they can get in the mosque and tell each other how permissible it is to beat a child who doesn't wear cover (see Dispatches videoes) -- who are guilty of the worst child abuse in brainwashing 4-year-old little girls into killing themselves for Allah (sorry, that's not Allah that's asking for that, that Ismael Haniyah and his creepy little bunch).

As I say, we're not actually your problem. But it's ever so much easier for you guys to live with your cowardice and your bigotry and your woman-kicking if you can tell yourselves that.

Meanwhile, I haven't lied, but you have. There are plenty of moderate Muslims out there, but if anybody ever asks, I'm going to tell them I don't think you're one of 'em.


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