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To Moderate Muslim: Terrorism built into your religion

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Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Apr 26, 2007 at 09:30

Moderate Muslim, the question you must ask is why are terrorists sprouting like vermin from rotting carcasses all over the Islamic world and wherever Muslims live?

Your railing against Sudan or suicide bombers is ineffectual. What will be effective will be exposing the rotten religious construct masqurading as a religion of peace when it is anything but. Why are Muslims in general not mad at what is happening in Sudan while they are very sensitive about what is happening in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya? You co-religinionists, like Allah, seem to have different standards for Muslims and non-Muslims.

You write: "you said read 9:28 It meant unclean because Muslims are required to be clean before they go to Mecca and Medina. It just means that as their is no clealiness requirement among the Pagans at the time, do not let them go near the house of God. This also referred to the time after the taking of Mecca, when the pagans had just been defeated."

Another moderate Muslim in another post said it does not mean physical cleaniness but spiritual. Where did you get the information that pagans of the time were physically unclean. What was your Prophet's idea of cleaniness? He advised Muslims, if there was no water, to wipe themselves with three stones after relieving themselves. He advised Muslims to lick the wings of a fly if it fell into food. What kind of hygiene was your prophet advising. And you call pagans unclean. Now in the twentyfirst century, since pagans and unbelievers are certainly cleaner physically than most Muslims living in dirt poor countries why are they not allowed near the kaaba? Could not Allah have foreseen that future pagans and unbelievers would be cleaner than Muslims?You also write: "9:38 39 and 41, 88 and 89 and 111 as well as 8:65 just says dont be afraid of dying in the way of Allah. If it is a truly just war than one is obligated to fight, but the terrorists are not fighting a just war and even if it was they have no right to attack civilians. or commit suicide in such an unjust attack."You write: "Contextually this was meant for the Muslims who did not want to fight the Pagans who would attack the Muslims."

Pagans who would attack the Muslims? Apart from Uhud and battle of the ditch which of the gazhwas were attacks on Muslims. Moderate Muslim, the Koran in those verses is exhorting and encouraging Muslims with threats and bribes to go and loot in the name of religion. You have no compunction in converting the victims to the aggressors. That is exactly what the perpetrators of 9/11, 7/7 etc also do. In their eyes the innocent dead in the towers and trains are the aggressors. It is a trick the Koran and its interpreters has taught them (and you?).

You write: " 2:216 means that fighting is prescribed if it is in the way of Allah. Terrorizing peaceful people who have not attacked you is not in the way of Allah...."

002.216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
002.217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.

Moderate Muslim read both 216 and 217 together. As a good Muslim you know the context of 217. Your prophet had sent out a raiding party to Nahla in the sacred month. The raiders came back after killing one and capturing lots of booty and a prisoner. They offered one fifth of the booty to the prophet who pretended to be upset (there was an uproar in society for killing and looting during the sacred month) and did not accept the loot. But then Allah came to his help with a convenient ayat i.e. 217. Did the caravan at Nahla in any way threaten the Muslims sitting several days ride away in Medina? Why did Mohammed's minions terrorise and loot that peaceful caravan?

Terrorising seems to be an Islamic speciality. Did you view video of the little Taliban boy emotionlessly saw off a man's head in the name of Islam. Where is Muslim outrage at this obscenity in the name of Islam. Your people came out screaming and shooting in the name of a few ridiculous cartoons. Moderate Muslim tell me whether the cartoons hurt your pure, true Islam more than this beheading.

That Islam is a scary and terrorising religion is proved by the fact that even you with your moderation are afraid to give out your real name. No Christian, Jew or Hindu will come after you with a knife or a gun for whatever you may say against their religion. But you know that you will have to be wary of even your nearest relaltives if they suspect you are critical of Islam.

You also wrote: 3: 85 says that people who do not accept Islam will not be happy on the day of judgement, for they have turned there backs on the true religion. are you mad because my religion says that not everyone goes to heaven?

What is this true religion you talk about? Living in terror of this god whose scriptures mostly consist of blood curldling threats to roast you again and again and do all kinds of sadistic things to you forever is true religion in Islam. The Koran says we have been created to worship him. What kind of a silly reason is that for creating the universe. It exposes Allah's insecurity. If his creatures did not sing his praises day and night how can it affect Him. He claims to be self-sufficient and all-powerful. Is he or is he not?

I am not one bit mad about not going to heaven with all the pleasures it promises. I would be bored to death (again) doing nothing but wander about and taste all the pulchritude on display there for eternity. What a silly reason to follow the 'true' religion.

You have no comments about the hate in the Friday sermon I have posted and the the hatred against their fellow beings that is taught in Saudi and Pakistani schools?

Moderate Muslim, most religions cannot stand up to close scrutiny. The difference between islam and others is your claim that your scriptures are written in stone and is valid to the final full stop to the end of time. The other religions don't. They have the flexibility to change with the times.

Moderate Muslim, which just war did your Prophet or Muslims of his time fight. Beginning with killing people and looting during the sacred months practically all the gazhwas were aggressive looting expeditions including the one which provoked the much hyped battle of Badr. Were the Muslims obliged to attack the caravans carrying goods to Mecca. Can you point out what was 'just' about those attacks.
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