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Intelligent lying vs. unintelligent lying or "the luckiest man on the face of the earth" on Turkish payroll

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in response to reader comment: Greece's Athens Court of Appeals: "The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus was LEGAL.

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Nov 15, 2012 at 05:02

Alexy Flemming (or whatever your real Mahometan name is ) ,

You know there are two ways of lying. There is intelligent and imaginative lying that requires some novelty and originality, displays lucidity, logic and talent. But there is also an unintelligent, blunt and obstinate lying. I hope you will understand from what follows why I don't consider your comments to be in the first category. It's always worthwhile to think a bit before copying and pasting.

I tend to write too long replies but despite my effort to the contrary I couldn't shorten this one.

First , if you had any idea of the hierarchy, structure and scope of jurisdiction of Greek courts, you would never paste so thoughtlessly "GREECE'S HIGHEST COURT ALSO DECIDED THAT TURKEY's 1974 INTERVENTION IS LEGAL. On 21 March 1979, Greece's Athens Court of Appeals..." Since when..." Since when has "Athens Court of Appeal" become "Greece's Highest Court" ? Since when can it make binding legal decisions on issues lying outside its sphere of competence and nullify international law by ruling which military invasion is legal and which isn't ? ... I know you are just a Turk and not too much can be expected from you. But still why do you think we are so stupid ?

Second, tell me what the Treaty of Lausanne which to the best of my knowledge Turkey has never renounced, says in Articles 16,20, 21, 30 and 34 ? In case your "authorities" failed to inform you, read them. It's freely available - even in Turkey where books and blogs freely available in other places are banned and their authors are persecuted or killed. Turkey herself has given up any right to Cyrpus.

Third, Article 4 of The Zurich-London Agreement states clearly :

"In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measures necessary to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty".

Whom except Henry Kissinger did Ecevit and the Turkish General Staff consult in 1974?Did Turkey's genocide and mass expulsions in the summer of 1974 pursue the aim to bring back Makarios to power ? Did Turkey restore the state of affairs of 1960 by grabbing 38% of Cyrpus' territory to 18% of its inhabitants ? Did Turkey restore the state of affairs of 1960 by grabbing 38% of Cyrpus' territory to 18% of its inhabitants ? And even if Turkey had a right to intervene to defend the Turkish jihadist Fifth Column of 18% , then why didn't Greece intervene to save 82% of the population against Turkey's US-made napalm, bombs, tanks, mass rapes, mass expulsions , wanton destruction, and genocide ? Furthermore , what right did Turkey have to use NATO arms to invade a neutral non-alligned country ?... And you surely don't know why you Turks are universally seen as brutal and ignorant barbarians ? I just wonder why brutal barbarians are so eager to find legal fictions to make their misdeeds assume a mask of legality ?

But anyway, what comes at the end caps even the above "gems" of your "copy-and-paste argument" :

>(2) United States' Archieve: The US Official Arcieves is also Turkey's source?!!

http://democrats.foreignaffairs.house.gov/archives/107/80962.pdf page 35"

Do you ever read what you refer your readers to? Or you think that the bulk of the material you suggest will help you more securely conceal your ignorance, malice and bias? What you call " The US official Archives" is just a 2002 markup ("Markup before the Subcommittee on Europe of the committee on international relations house of representatives"), i.e. opining, debating, amending and rewriting by US politicians of proposed legislation and as such has very little to do in terms of matter-of-fact documentation with the Cyrpus problem, its origin and nature. Instead it focuses heavily on Israeli-Turkish relations and Turkey's role in Afghanistan in 2002. What it says of Cyprus is restricted "to express the sense that security, reconciliation, and prosperity for all Cypriots can be best achieved within membership of the EU and for other purposes". What document on Cyrpus is it then "expressing the sense" ? Does it solve the problem of the Turkish atrocities in Cyprus ? The Greeks still amiss ? The stolen and destroyed Greek property ? The destroyed Christian 2000 year-old legacy in Turkish-occupied Cyprus?

On the whole the markup reads in part like a parody (" Whereas security cooperation between the Republic of Turkey and the State of Israel has improved dramatically in recent years…" "improved" thanks to the Gaza Flotilla" or bee-eaters identified by Turks as Israeli spies ;) ; in part are incorrect ("until 1979 the Republic of Turkey was the only Muslim country to recognize the State of Israel" - Iran recognized Israel de facto in 1950); and in part an obvious lie, disinformation or at best wishful thinking like the quote you refer to. It's a passage from Congressman Dan Burton's statement.

Let's see for a moment who the Honorable Dan Burton is and what he stands for. He is a US Representative from Indiana , a Republican serving since 1983. He says about himself "I think I'm the luckiest man on the face of the earth." Well, his country may arguably feel not so lucky with this "luckies man on the face of the earth" and for many good reasons.

In March 1995 Burton who was chairman of the Western Hemisphere Subcommittee , during congressional hearings on the US War on Drugs, declared that the US military "should place an aircraft carrier off the coast of Bolivia and crop dust the cocafields". It apparently hadn't dawned upon him that Bolivia is a landlocked country.If as chairman of the Western Hemisphere Subcommittee he knows so little about Bolivia, what can he know about Cyprus?

Burton's name gained in dubious prominence last year when an FBI investigation revealed that he received bribes from the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence in exchange for supporting Pakistan's against India on Kashmir.

But it is not only Paki cash that Burton can be easily spell-bound with. Intrepid whistle blower Sibel Edmonds who had access to classified FBI Turkish, Azeri and Farsi records, was long gagged and threatened if she revealed what she knew about him own and his political colleagues' intimate relations to Turkish money. She has recently revealed what follows :

" … Burton has accepted campaign donations from many inividuals tied to Gülen charter schools in Indiana. Lyndsey Eksili, wife of main Indiana Gülen leader Bilal, has given Burton $1000, and Hasan Yerdelen, treasurer for the American Turkish Association of Indiana, donated $1,000 in 2010, as well. A former Holy Dove official, Yerdelen's new group belongs to the Assembly of Turkish-American Associations (ATAA), also mentioned by Edmonds.

Burton has been getting money from the Turkish PAC, too, which has ties to the American Turkish Council implemented in the Edmonds case. In an article about a recent D.C. gala party, the Gülen-influenced Today's Zaman details the plans of the TC-USA PAC. The TC-USA PAC goes by many names. Incorporated out of Houston, Texas, it sometimes is called the Turkish Coalition PAC, the Turkish American Political Action Committee, and the Turkish Coalition USA PAC. Until May 2008, its name was the Turkish PAC – Turkish American Heritage Political Action Committee. Federal Election Commission records show Burton has recently gotten $11,000 from this group.

The Turkish Coalition USA PAC is managed by the Turkish Coalition of America's Lincoln McCurdy, a Hanover College, Indiana, graduate and former U.S. diplomat in Istanbul, who was ATC's CEO from 1998 to 2004, during the alleged Burton bribery scandal. McCurdy's name appears as the treasurer of the PAC in FEC documents. The Turkish Coalition of America was founded with money from Hittite Microwave head Yalcin Ayasli, which since 2004, according to the Sunlight Foundation, has received $30 million in contracts from the U.S. government. McCurdy is no stranger to Dan Burton. Burton visited Turkey with McCurdy and the Turkish Coalition of America. Plus, in a 2009 talk at the Gülen Institute Congressional Dinner, Burton praised how Dick Lugar was to be a future keynote speaker at the Holy Dove Foundation, and how he himself is treated like a "king" when he visits Turkey.

In the summer of 2010, Burton even hired Baran Cansever to go on fact-finding missions at congressional hearings. Cansever was a former American Turkish Council intern in 2009, where he helped plan ATC-funded trips for congressional staffers and worked with the ATC "Chairman during Energy and Defense sessions at the Annual Conference on U.S./Turkish Relations." As I and many others have noted, those associated with the Gülen-led charter schools use trips to Turkey to dupe legislators across the country into buying into the Gülen story of peace and love.

In November of last year, Burton and Dick Lugar were hosts at a Turkish American Federation of the Midwest-sponsored event which also included the American Turkish Council's James Holmes as speaker, British Petroleum's Greg Saunders, and Fatih Baltaci, CEO of Enerco Energy, along with many government officials. The Turkish American Federation of the Midwest is a local branch of the Gülen-led Assembly of Turkic American Federations (ATAF); the Niagara Foundation, with ties to leaders of the Indiana Gülen charter school movement, is an arm of the Turkish American Federation of the Midwest."

So much for suggesting that quoting Burton who has sold his soul to Turkey is not quoting Turkey's source.

And in general my advice to you is that next time you bring up a popular and cheap Turkish lie try to do it in a much more subtle and intelligent way than the raw and primitive form its is offered to you in the first place. Checking and double checking your references and points is the first major step you should take. In case you don't know how to do that, please ask other Turks –maybe some CIA-trained liars from MİT - for help. I am confident that among more than 70 000 000 proud Turks there are some who can produce lies which are much brainier and harder to expose than what you have pasted together here.

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