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in response to reader comment: YOUR COMMENT TO MY COMMENT. CYPRUS/TURKEY AND ISRAEL/GAZZA

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jul 26, 2010 at 16:47

VEHBI CAN writes :

" YES, I STUDIED UNITED NATIONS RECORDS, FIGURES AND FACTS,INVASION REASONS, TALKS BETWEEN 3 GUARANTOR POWERS , ENGLAND, GREECE, TURKEY, SUBMITTED PLANS, REFERANDUM MADE MADE IN BOTH PARTS ETC, THEY ARE ALL THERE. YOU SHOULD STUDY ALSO, I FRANKLY SUGGEST."

Assuming you studied them , your conclusions don't look like based on any records whatsoever. Perhaps you have forgotten most of that stuff ? It can happen to anybody , can't it ?

But leaving that possibility apart let me make a thought experiment. Imagine you have somehow understood the erroneous nature and irrationality of the Turkish standpoint and condemned the Turkish crimes, expulsions, wanton destruction of the cultural heriatge , desecration of churches , robberies of antiquities etc. etc. and you said that in public, then for how long -do you think- would you be jailed ? 3 years or 4 years ? I mean this is an international site and saying anything for or against Turkey must be considered as done abroad or for teh external consumption and for this thought crime article 301 foresees 4 years in jail , doesn't it ? I am just curious and try to understand why you keep fooling me .

"IF YOU DO NOT AND CONDITIONED TO WRITE AGAINST TURKEY, OFCOURSE I LAUGH AND DO NOT BOTHER TO READ YOU OR YOUR COMMENTS. SORRY. THEY ARE ALL IN RECORDS..."

You can laugh as much as you wish proided you don't lie. The problem is not "conditioning" but the barbrian Turkish laws and habits following from them which make any critical discussion opinion on Turkey a criminal offence. Under such laws and in the atmosphere of constant fear you can't essentially but chant "Ne mutlu turkum diyene" and do some witch-hunting against the Greeks, the Armenians or the Kurds. You can't even explain why people who live hundreds and thousands of miles away from you -like me can - be interested in your dysfunctional state and nasty past and can see through most of the big lies that lay at the foundation of Turkey , can you ?

>YOU HAVE NOT REPLIED MY QUESTION. ARE YOU JEWISH.?? IS THIS THE REASON WHY YOU ARE CONDITIONED AGAINST TURKEY.

So my suspicions about your memory were justified. You have never before asked any question about my Jewishsness or non-Jewishness . I can tell you figuratively it is like the Jewishness of Ataturk - blue eyes, blond hair ... if you know what I mean .

"WHY DO NOT YOU MENTION ALSO IN YOUR COLOUMN THAT IN THE 15 TH CENTURY WHEN JEWS WERE SENT OUT FROM SPAIN, NO COUNTRY ACCEPTED IN EUROPE BUT OTTOMANS DID.

I am not used to believe , let alone repeat cheap Turkish propaganda . Being a lawless raya ("cattle") of the Ottomans , whether as a Christian or as a Jew was a dubious privilege. All were oppressed, discriminated and sucked dry . You were ALWAYS inferior to the most miserbavle Moslem who could rob you and accuse you befor ethe qadi and you had NEVER a chance to win a case with him. Shariah is very clear about how to treat a Jew . And consequently you were treated like cattle unless you could corrupt a Turk with much money to protect you against other greedy and wicked Moslems. But it was always a risky matter as the the taste of the putting is in the eating and so smell of money make teh Turk demand more money or else ...

Turkey was a vicious dysfunctional despotism where nobody could live a happy life , were all was sick and vicious because of all-embracing Islam and its evil. Even the sultan was at the mercy of his janissaries , let alone an infidel Jew who had no chance to against a Moselm which made the latter more arrogant and oppressive.

> IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR JEWS RUNNING FROM OCCUPIED CITIES BY GERMANS WERE COMING TO TURKEY AND THEY WERE WELCOMED.

As long as the Jew paid for his safety with gold just like under the Ottomans. If he didn't have gold to bribe the greedy and corrupt Turkish official he was treated as the Jewish passengers onboard the Struma in 1941. They were sent back from Turkey to their destruction . No cash - no help !

Any more cheap Turkish propaganda for stupid foreigners ?

> UNTIL VERY RECENTLY ISRAEL AND ALL JEWS WERE ADMIRING TURKEY RIGHTLY.. BUT YOU MENTION CYPRUS ONE SIDED."

Indeed, I forgot to mention the 1934 Jewish pogroms organized in Thrace by Ataturk in person ! But a Turkified Moslem Pomac called Hikmet Pala did that for me in his reply " I could've continued" . maybe you would like to amplify on that ? It's not a less fascinating subject than the Turkish aggression and barbarity in Northern Cyprus.     >ANYHOW, THANKS TO YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, CONTENT IS NOT IMPORTANT, YOU ARE CONDITIONED AGAINST TURKEY BUT AT LEAST YOU REPLIED. <

Unlike you I think that nothing is more important but the content . In this sense your reply leaves much to be desired and the catchy and watered-down phrase "conditioned" doesn't make it much better .

> IF ONE DAY YOU HAPPEN TO COME TO ISTANBUL, YOU ARE MOST WELCOME AND WE CAN VISIT ARCAIDES TOGETHER AND DO SOME HISTORICAL TOUR . I MEAN IT..<

I would rather not like to share Bill Hayes' fate now that you Turks have commenced a world-wide witch-hunting against foreigners "contioned against Turkey" -to use your expression.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10508304.asp

"Turkey seeks names of YouTube's Ataturk insulters from U.S. gov't Turkey's public prosecutor in Ankara has asked U.S. authorities to determine the identities of YouTube users that have posted insulting videos of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, and hand them over to Turkey.

Ankara public prosecutor Kursat Kayral has requested the identities of YouTube users, who insult Ataturk, Turkey and the country's flag from the United States Justice Ministry in order to launch an investigation into these users.

Those YouTube users determined to be living outside Turkey will be detained upon entering the country, pending the outcome of an inquest."

Besides, any penny spent in Turkey by a European comes back to his country in form of pro-Turkish propaganda, Pan-Turkic activites , genocide denial articles , subversive activities of the Turkish minority, mosques for Turks , political and economic spying etc. etc. Let's boycott Turkey if we want to save Europe from this existential threat to our civilization !

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