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200 000 human tragedies as "unconfirmed, out of the blue suggestions" ...

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jul 28, 2010 at 20:47

Hikmet wrote :

" Let me explain: If someone misspells your name, ethnicity, sense of belonging—It is wrong!"

If someone "at the heat of the moment of responding to Ianus or any other bigot per se, (...) might have overlooked at the grammatical accuracy of the body of my text" , then I don't care much about that. But if the same person then tells me that "If someone misspells your name, ethnicity, sense of belonging—It is wrong!" then I do , for I draw the conclusion of an very asymetric vision of what is right and what is wrong this person has. Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.

>As an interpreter/Translator, I am somehow trained not to draw assumptions into anything and everything.<

Indeed, you have to follow the original without deleting the errors of and doctoring the original to make it look finer in your translation than before.

By the way, it is how Turkish parody of history which you bring here works. Interpreters and translators of past and present Turkish crimes and perfidy get well paid so that out of a sudden in their translations of the past all those nasty things like napalm and wholesale expulsions never pop up at all and are replaced with idylls unknown to history and indignation at denigration of holy Turkishness.

>For me, being called 'bigot' is not high honour. It is not even mild sarcasm. It is a serious charge.<

I asked you for a definition of a "bigot", not whether it brings 'honour' to anybody or not , didn't I ?

>If someone assumes that –just because your ethnic people are Moslems- you are also a Moslem—It is stupid and wrong!<

If you're dealing with somebody coming from a country which is a 99,8% Islamic monoculture (not my allegations, CIA Factbook's ! ) , then assuming he's not a Moslem is very stupid indeed. Curiously enough, despite all your proclaimed atheism I have not seen a single critical remark from you about Islam either. Never heard of argumentum ex silentio ?

> If someone attaches you to a frame- be it a religion, nationality that you do not belong, or an ideology—It is wrong!<

Change the realities of the country you come from and avoid whitewashing it here and then and only then you will be entitled to tell me what is "right" and what is "wrong" , what is logical and what isn't.

> If someone distorts your 'assumed religion' [like calling Bogomil --Dualist Christians] Pomaks as 'Christians'—It is evasive and wrong!<

Speaking of being evasive, I asked you about condemning Mohammed's crimes , haven't I ? I saw you before preach much about "Greek terror" and even condemn some individual secularist Turkish crimes, yet never ever seen you mention Islam in this context ! So I pressed the point and what have I received as a response - a general sermon on how wicked and wrong I am because I draw my assumptions from the general knowledge of the situation and your evasive and double-faced words !

> If someone produces unconfirmed, out of the blue suggestions of; Napalm, 180,000 [which I never mentioned], and expects me to qualify them—It is wrong!<

If you had read this someone's other posts you would have seen also undeniable evidence on what this someone writes and which you can't even or don't want to imagine. I conclude you have NEVER been seriously interested in the subject and don't care much about what really happened as long as one doesn't expose your pro-Turkish propaganda and lies .

So now I am going to quote two original sources and I do challenge you to disprove them! But if you can't , you don't have to admit it and recant your lies like "out of the blue suggestions" . Even if you did , I would never believe in your sincerity.

A report of The European Commission of Human Rights (something you are allegedly working for too. ;) from 1976 states i.al. :

"The Turkish Army displaced 200,000 Greek Cypriots (more than one third of the population) from their homes. This was effected partly by physical expulsion and partly by a systematic campaign of terror, causing Greek Cypriots to flee in the face of Turkey's advancing armed forces. Refugees and expellees were not permitted by the Turkish Army to return to their homes in the Turkish occupied area. Turkish defence: No answer was given to these charges and Turkey boycotted the Commissions' proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected. Commission's Verdict: 'Displacement of persons'

  1. The Commission concludes by thirteen votes against one that, by the refusal to allow the return of more than 170,000 Greek Cypriot refugees to their homes in the north of Cyprus, Turkey violated, and was continuing to violate Art. 8 of the Convention in all these cases."

So the commission which had been doing research on Cyprus for a year before it published its report and conclusions, saw those 200 000 expellees and learned their horrifying stories but you know better and speak of "out of the blue suggestions"!

As to Turkish naplam air raids the literature would be long but presently I have before my eyes a statement from "Humanitarian problems on Cyprus . Hearing before the subcommittee to investigate problems connected with refugees and escapees of the committee on the judiciary". September 26, 1974 where on page 6 we read : (The book is freely available)

"The Turkish invasion and occupation of Cyprus has turned the island into shambles. In political terms, it violated the integrity of an independent state. In economic terms, it shattered the island's flourishing development. And in human terms, it brought personal tragedies to thousands of families—and a nightmare of death and horror and grief. A drive along the roads of Cyprus quickly tells the tragic tale of the Cypriot people—of the human consequences of an armed invasion, of bombing and napalm, of cease-fire violations, of military occupation, and man's inhumanity to man."

So the American representatives including oustanding professors were there in the summer 1974 , saw the effects of Turkish napalm raids and said what they just like thosuands and thosuands of others had seen . You were not there - as far as I can conjecture - , saw nothing and yet you know better and proclaim your lie of "unconfirmed, out of the blue suggestions ...of napalm"!

But as I said , your apology for ... whitewash Turkey would be quite unwelcome to me for the reason mentioned earlier.

Submitting....

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