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A serial killer and his "innocence"

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Sep 3, 2010 at 04:01

Caleb ,

You make a lot of claims and charges which you have yet to substantiate with documentary evidence. You may deflect attention of the ignorant from the core issue with them - crimes perpetrated by Turky's state organs and armed forces and not some random individuals . But those who understand a bit what Turkey stands for won't be fooled by you and your ilk.

With Turkey's consistents record of both genocides and genocide denials the only thing you can't request from anyone in his senses and with moderate memory is to believe in Turkey's innocence or credibility of stories told by her. Would you believe e.g. the story of being attacked and victimized told by a serial killer caught red-handed again and again ?

In the meantime to put you back on the right track I do remind you of two simple questions I have asked you and which you have ignored :

1/ Where did you take "80 000 " from ?

2/ What is your "justification" of 40% of territory robbed for 18% of the population ?

You may not even note but you have not adduced a single source to clarify these points. Instead what we have is accumulation of more Turkish lies and barren claims. Anyway, what else is a Turk capable of ? With his record of genocides and Islam-driven criminality he can't even mention in public his crimes . So what is left for him is blaming the victims .

> What was the source of the European Commission figures?<

E.g. The International Red Cross eye witness reports (ever heard of this organization ? ) and more than a year of careful investigation in Cyprus on its own . If you are dealing with mass crimes and ethnic and religious cleansing on the scale of 1974, you can't simply fail to see them ... unless you are the perpetrator.

> They were supplied, ultimately, by the Greeks operating under the title Republic of Cyprus.<

Just for your information, Turkey had also been asked to cooperate in finding the truth and was invited to provide her information . But as the truth meant killings ( including famous cases of killing UN Peace keeping soldiers and American citizens ) , forced wholesale expulsions , mass rapes, lootings, torture and inhuman treatment , wanton destruction, discrimination etc. etc. so to keep the nasty truth from being revealed Turkey had no other choice but boycott the commission and spread the lies which you are repeating here. And the Turks found a decorous lie to justify the boycott. They said the Commission was not necessary at all because "remedies were available before the competent judicial authorities in Turkey or before the military courts of the Turkish forces in Cyprus."

But the problem is that not a single Turk has ever been filed or sentenced for the crimes committed in 1974. It speaks volume , doesn't it ? As the Commission concluded (ibidem) : " None of the victims of the ruthless and evil deeds by Turkish State organs and her Armed Forces was ever given any opportunity to vindicate his rights before an authority or tribunal as provided by Articles 6 and 13 of the Convention. Persons under Turkish control were not even permitted to talk without Turkish supervision to the International Red Cross In short, no effective remedy of any kind was afforded either in the Turkish occupied area or in Turkey itself in respect of Turkish atrocities.."

" Turkey's analysis of conduct in terms of Article II of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide makes it clear that Turkey committed a species of genocide as respects the Greek Cypriot community. Turkey intended to destroy the Greek Cypriots as an ethnic and religious group in the occupied area by deliberately inflicting on it conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in part and its total and permanent displacement from the occupied part of Cyprus. Unfortunately no international judicial machinery is available to arraign Turkey as she has not recognised yet the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice. "

You continue

> "This "Republic" is no more representative of **all** the people of Cyprus than the former all Greek Cypriot National Guard was "national".<

And in the eyes of the perpetrators the International Red Cross whose first-hand information the Commission used in his report was also not a "representative" source simply because it identified both the victims and the Turkish perpetrators , wasn't it ? Definitely, calling a spade a spade is not something Turks would ever consider worth doing.

> The numbers on expellees are all over the lot. Some claim 220,000, some 200,000, some 180,000 others far less. <

And Turks assert "80000" or less if any . Anyway, if you rob 40% of territory for 180 000 Turks , then according to your logic how much territory should the remaining 600 000 people occupy ? The expulsion of the Greeks in Cyprus stands out as a singular crime in world history - every third person was expelled.

> [You, for illustration, were willing to let the 200,000 figure stand without conceding that **any** Greeks who initially fled the armies did later return to their homes.] <

Just for your information , it was me who explained the point of the refugees from along the Attila line which constitutes around 3% of the territory of the island. So the figure 200 000 refugees is correct as even those 20 000 did flee to avoid Turkish systematic state-sponsored massacres and atrocities that were taking place wherever the Turkish hordes appeared .

>The same goes for the land area populated by the Turkish minority prior to the 1974 Cyprus Operation. To hear the Greeks tell it, the Turkish community occupied only an enclave of maybe 15 percent, excluding the capital.<

And how much territroy according to you a population of 18% that produced hardly 3-4% of the Cyprus GDP populate before July 1974 ?

> In fact the capital Nicosia through which the Green Line now runs always had a mixed population of Turks and Greeks.<

And Nicosia is how much area of Cyprus ? Let me guess ... 40 %?

> Like the Queen of Hearts who declared "Words mean just what I want them to mean",<

Imam Erdogan put it in a better way referring to a different genocide "Moslems don't commit a genocide" and Turkey's " history is as clean and clear as the sun."

> Greece has attempted to lay exclusive claim to Macedonia, or at least enjoy some sort of copyright on the name so that no other nationality may use it.<

Ghazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha aka Ataturk taught Turks are creators and heirs of all civilization . So now Turks may claim anything anywhere - not just Cyprus, Northern Iraq , the Balkans , Central Asia ...The taste of the pudding is in the eating and there is no limit for serial killers.

Submitting....

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