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Nasser and the cyprus tragedy still unanswered

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Aug 25, 2010 at 12:24

Y wrote

>and the Arabs had a barely functioning civil society in the 50's before the coups, dictatorships and demographic changes strangled it.

So?

>It wasn't a choice between dictatorship and Islamism at the time.

You are very wrong. Even Nasser himself would not have believed that islamism will be a threat to the whole world but he believed that it is a real challenge in Egypt and it will be a threat to the other Arab countries in no time but did the US or israel listen? Not really because I suspect that policy makers in both countries had no clue about what Nasser was talking about or having to deal with it

He felt that hanging of Sayed Qutb in 1965 would bring it to an end but it sure did not as his book "ma3alim fi el-tareeq" still lives on and it is the little holy book of all those islamo-fascists

>Nasser could have left alone the King and the barely functioning semi-democracy.

Egypt was not really a democracy during the reign of King Farouk who was not even Egyptian (he was of Albenian ancestry) and Gamal Abd el-Nasser was the first Egyptian president of Egypt since the Greek invasion of Egypt by Alexander the Great some 2300 years ago so it was bound to happen

Again I believe that he would have been able to deliver peace to Israel as early as early 1955 but again I suspect that the old guard the likes of Ben Guiron were just not ready for peace and it is really a shame

>It would have probably evolved to something like today's Jordan, but with more stability and a better basis for a secular nation (since Egypt has a long history and it's own sense of identity rather than an invented Jordanian one. Also a decent enough economic base before Nasser's policies and the demographic expansion destroyed it).

Not really! Egyptians have a very strong sense of identity and i include here the most ardent Muslim funddies. and Egypt and iran are the only nation states in all of the Middle East. Everything else is made up

>D. I am sorry for misinterpreting you. In any event, Nasser's role was secondary since he had little-to-none influence on anyone involved. Same with Israel.

Then prove it

> This is just of little interest to anyone.

This is what the study of history is all about

>You might as well write about France/Spain/Cuba's "role in Cyprus" (little to none until lately).

Wow I'm very surprised to hear this from an Israeli where education and learning and exploring every thing is important

[1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/jul/28/obituary-major-general-meir-amithttp://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3405998,00.html (Hebrew).[2] http://www.202.org.il/Pages/tagmul/tagmul1955.php This is for 1955, and Google translate can help with it and the links for the previous years (just switch the number). If you can stomach "Hasbara" and don't like Hebrew the mfa has a much smaller list:http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-%20Obstacle%20to%20Peace/Palestinian%20terror%20before%202000/Which%20Came%20First-%20Terrorism%20or%20Occupation%20-%20Major[3] http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/dhh_weblog/2006-blog/2006-04/2006-04-26-nonie_darwish.htmetchttp://www.labournet.net/world/1002/latifa1.html. Just run a search for the name.[4] "Israel: From war to peace" by E. Karsh, p. 27 "Israel's Border Wars: 1949-1956" B.Morris, p. 340

I'm very familiar with the works of karsh and Benny Morris

For the readers: Still the question of the rule of Nasser in the tragedy in Cyprus and his friendship with Makarious is left unanswered

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