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Submitted by Lazman (United States), Aug 1, 2010 at 22:08

Ianus, you obviously don't count on anyone to follow up on your ... postings designed to try and see how much mud would stick each time. The ridiculous allegation about Ibrahim Akyol was too weird not to read up and follow up on.

Your words exactly, including the underlining and italicizing to somehow emphasize the correlation of "Ataturk and Mohammed friends forever" were the following: A picture of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the founder of the Turkish Republic, bearing the handwritten words "I hate foreigners" was also reportedly found on Akyol.

Here's what the note on the back of the Ataturk's picture actually says in Turkish: "Yurdumu ve vatanımı seviyorum. Benim gibi düşünen herkesin yanındayım ancak bu düşüncemin karşısında duran insanlar vatanımdan defolsun." [Translation: I love my country and my homeland. I stand by all those who think similarly and those who oppose my thoughts should get out of my homeland.] Not the "I hate foreigners," as you made up. In fact, most Turks would even interpret that photo and message as an anti-Islamist message. But that reality does not help your nonsensical argument to form an Islamist/Ataturk correlation here, does it?

Further, as you conveniently omitted, this Akyol guy was released from a mental hospital after 5 months and, after his early release he was rejected by everyone and was living in the streets for months. His actual statement to the police was "I woke up angry that morning and carried a knife thinking I would kill someone." Obviously, a sick and a desperate man who should not have been released from a psychiatric institution.

But little could even Akyol have imagined that his horrendous murder of a Christian would be used by another distressed mind 1.5 years later; one who hears in the early morning the whisper "I hate foreigners" and "must kill Christian" to somehow concoct an absurdly senseless and childish connection of Ataturk and Islamists. But one has to admire your total bravado smart ending …… and then stabs a Christian to keep his promise made to Islam and Ataturk.

What is wrong with you? You failed to spot your next "smear opportunity" to form the "Ataturk, Mohammed and Hitler friends forever" correlation. I guess you missed the other news items that this poor soul was a German running from the justice (escaped from a prison in Germany) and was hiding out in Turkey.

In fact, the Islamization Watch site you cited has the translation almost identical to what I provided above and states the guy had mental problems. Obviously worrying about personal credibility is not an issue for you. Also, don't bother referencing any European Institution decisions to make a case when you yourself already declared The Hague Trials as a farce back in March; I told you several times, you can't have it both ways as you try to cherry-pick data.

The same can be said about the "impeccable" logic you have used to portray USA as a "bad Christian" country that uses Islamist armies to massacre Christians. Your words: "US …helped the Moslems (….) massacre and expel the Serbs" or "… aggressive anti-Christian US record on the Balkans (supporting openly Islam, giving away to jihadists ancient Christian lands, creating Islamic states ….. at the expense of Christian Serbia ....." And obviously you refer to USA manipulation of Turkey to invade (and massacre, I am sure) Cyprus ad nauseam.

To a direct question about heritage, you come back with 1147 words of non-answer, and a lot of your usual tap-dancing verbiage, which highlights another deep rooted problem you are clearly struggling with. Although in every conflict to date, the losing side is full of hatred and complains for generations about atrocities committed by the other side, I admit I may be wrong about the Greek Cypriot. I don't believe even if very angry, a self-respecting Greek Cypriot would stoop to disparage the PM and founder of modern Greece, Venizelos, by claiming it is "…parody dictated to aging Venizelos by a desire to please England and France…" to invalidate Venizelos' submission of Ataturk's name for the Nobel Peace Prize, especially after demonizing Ataturk in your following words …. Ataturk had c. 1 000 000 Greeks murdered in Asia Minor but no Turk remembers having burnt alive Greeks or decapitated and slaughtering them in Smyrna… But I forget, in "Ianus' world," blaming past or present powers liberates you out of any circumstances.

So far in about 10 days you have posted 40 or more times with 10s and thousands of words and interestingly, in an earlier posting to me you basically described this prolific effort as "working hard". I would like to think all this "blog therapy" has a "noble cause" such as hatred, rant and rave and not financial. Sadly though, the topic of what I that I thought we were discussing, ie, "the hypocrisy by Turkish Islamist government," turned into "Ianus' demons about Islamist Ataturk."

Your level of anger and hatred may be extraordinary and self-deteriorating but maybe not highly unusual. Unfortunately for an empire, for centuries, doing what the empires did in those days, in world's most ancient, ethnically diverse, turmoil ridden, religiously fanatical area and especially in the Middle East where the parents see their only duty to be to pass the generational old hatred to their kids... why would anyone be surprised. I am sure you'll do a fine job in the future as well.

Submitting....

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