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Remembering and forgetting things

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jul 31, 2010 at 08:46

Lazman ,

I have never told you what feelings you should have or not have , albeit definitely I ought to point out a glaring lack of such sentiments as shame and decency on your part. Your effort to concentrate on my feelings won't deflect the attention from the factual evidence which you keep ignoring. It's a notorious Turkish trick of complaining about "hatred" when pressed hard with facts and of trying to play the comedy of Turkish victimization to defend the indefensible. All your crimes if they can't be denied anymore are represented as a reaction to being "victimized" , aren't they ? You can't find a single genocide, a single murder and robbery a Turk commits which is not decorously excused and explained away beforehand after all the efforts to deny them haven't worked.

So to allegedly save a few Turks the Turks slaughter and expel whole populations as in Cyprus. That's "justice" according to their inverted legal standards . But woe to him who exposes these wicked tricks. The Turk whines first about "hatred" towards Turkey and gets angry ! In most cases he ends by threatening to kill his opponent. You have still some way to go , Lazman , to be like your countrymen from YouTube and elsewhere .

You write :

"I remember the little exchange I had back in March of this year was with you."

It's amazing how tenacious your memory is given its failure to remember things from yesterday. So to give your memory another chance , I asked you to assess a declassified NATO document (SG/SD/WASHDC-12/526-D48/JULE74). You preferred to ignore it. I repeated my request. You ignored it again. Don't you find it symptomatic ? Anyway, feel free to forget this document and my questions for good ! You're just a Turk after all, aren't you and this gives you so flexible standards of rationality, memory, justice and truth that no reality is needed for them at all.

You write also :

"This is where I commented to you that the "Christian fanatics need to learn the difference too and separate FAITH and POLITICS" in response to your comment "...looking at the aggressive anti-Christian US record on the Balkans (supporting openly Islam, giving away to jihadists ancient Christian lands, creating Islamic states like Bosnia and Kosovo at the expense of Christian Serbia ....." .

You don't have to answer the following questions either, Lazman. They are meant to be rhetorical ones. Is my above quote factually incorrect ? Perhaps the innumerable churches and monsteries desecrated and destroyed by Bosniak and Albanian jihadists remain intact in the US protectorate of Bosnia and Kosovo or simply someone doesn't like facing the factual statements ?

>And since you did not know the Greek history (or conveniently omit, alter, embellish etc) that Eleftherios Venizelos, the Prime Minister of Greece submitted Ataturk's (aka Hitler in Ianus' world) name for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1934<

Let's imagine that did know it very well and did find it to be a parody dictated to aging Venizelos by a desire to please England and France that were enineering at that time the Balkan Entente and wanted to have Turkey in at any cost together with Greece . So the parody of Greek-Turkish friendship and a Nobel Peace Prize for a notorious mass murderer were also a logical moves inspite of all their perversity. T

In itself Nobel Peace Prize has degenerated long since to becoming a political tool to promote momentary political interests and so it can't be taken too seriously. Even a terrorist like Yaser Arafat or a rogue like Henry Kissinger were awared a Nobel Peace Prize. So what intrinsic value does it have except as a cheap media stunt ?

As to Venizelos' letter, let me imagine that I am a member of a nation where every fourth inhabitant was expelled and went through hell of Turkish barbarity engineered by a ghazi and Lenin's friend Mustafa Kemal Pasha. Every seventh member of that nation was slaughtered on Mustafa Kemal Pasha's explicit order while Kemalist hordes plundering churches, torturing and brutally killing everybody they got hold of including the metropolitan bishop of Smyrna Chrysostomus (he's a martyr saint of the Orthodox Church) and of committing innumerable other acts of terror and atrocities against that nations by broad daylight under a trumped-up pretext of Islamic justice.

Now after all of that we have an old man pressed by England and France - two former protectors of Turkey - to make an alliance with Turkey to strengthen the southern frontier of the French anti-German cordon sanitaire and as a gesture of good will we see him nominating the author of all those atrocities as a cadidate for Noble Peace Prize ! ... The basurdity is perfect , isn't it ? Don't you know any Jews who would like to nominate Hitler for a post mortem Noble Peace Prize ?

I wonder also what Kemal himself responded to this proposal ? Probably he thought Venizelos was as drunk as he - a notorious drunkard - used to be otherwise such an absurdity would have never come to his mind.

As to my origin , I can tell you that the Turks took me as belonging to all possible nationalities - Greek, Armenian, Russian, Kurdish , Bulgarian, Hungarian , Ukrainian , one even suggested I was a Russified Kipchak . I understand you raise the point as you Turks feel a greater anxiety when facing somebody not belonging to any of these nations as exposing your lies and crimes. You are taught at school and keep repeating that critizing Turkishness is just a national prejudice, hatred which is reducible and explicable in terms of prejudices of your frustrated neighbours. You point to that and that is the end of any discussions with you. It frees you from the unpleasant necessity of facing any serious sources, documents , arguments. And this is exactly what I find so hateful about you Turks. You have such a perverted and limited worldview and have gone through such a thorough brainwashing that you can't even imagine that someone from afar can be interested in the subject and can be well able to discern your impudent lies, double standards and perfidy from the real issues without being a Helladite Greek , a Cypriot Greek, an Armenian,a Bulgarian, a Serb or a Kurd !

The objective truth is there for everyone to see and it has nothing to do with the nationality as it has nothing to do with the colour of the eyes of the beholder either ! When one knows the facts , has a modest sense of proportions , then what can be a better indictment against Turkey for and against all the deceptions and lies applied by the Turks to hide and pervert the truth of the matter ?

Submitting....

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