Whoever is the great inventor of racism/holocaust/extortion the Turks are masters thereof
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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Oct 19, 2009 at 07:14
Justin ( or rather Yasemin ? ) I was hesitant at first to thank you for your ... comment, but after a while I changed my mind. Thanks a lot for the opportunity to make a few substantial points then.
>I hope you should understand that it was the primarily the "white" who invented this Holocaust s...! Though, Hitler was not the first one.<
Sure, Hitler used to say referring to the successful Armenian genocide :"Who remembers the Armenians noawdays ?" Let me remind you of it as I doubt that you have ever come across Hitler's original thoughts.
> It were the Spanish who wiped out pretty much of the Indian population in Central and South America. <
And still Hitler didn't say "Who remembers the American Indians nowadays". Guess why ! If you can't I may help you. The Spaniards did their due to liquidate independent Indian empires which by the way were far from idyllic societies if you remember e.g. why the Aztecs needed so many prisoners. Their gods were as bloodthirsty as your Allah is. And yet the Spaniards left valuable sources and eyewitness reports that described these Spanish atrocities. Las Casas e.g. is a fascinating and honest author ! Now every European library has plenty of volumes devoted to the subject. Could you give me a single honest Turkish author or a single library in Turkey where books by foreign authors and sources on the Armenian genocide perpetrated by the Turks - both Young Turks and Kemalists- are freely available? As long as you can't enumerate a single one, don't try to deceive and fool us with the implied Ottoman/Kemalist innocence and relativism of their heideous recent crimes.
> It were the Europeans who started killing Jews back in the late middle ages. From the tone of your epistle I conclude history is neither your forte nor your hobby. The time around the first crusade is hardly "the late middle ages" and while in some regions of Europe anti-Jewish pogroms took place in others -like my country Poland- Jewish settlers were invited and welcomed. And while building new synagogues under shariah is haram, here every larger town received its synagogue.
> This let to that the Ottoman Sultan had sent ships to rescue these Jews, who still live in Turkey today and are part of society, that is 98% muslim.<
The Jews who came to Turkey brought what the Turks needed most -the know-how , crafts and trades the nomadic and parasitic Turks didn't practise. Then the Jews were imported not for reasons of Turkish loving kindness but to serve as the only pro-Turkish social and political group among the anti-Turkish masses of the enslaved Christians. The Turks didn't feel safe surrounded by masses of hostile Christian slaves. But this notwithstanding the legal satus of Jews was that of "rayah" "cattle". No sultan or pasha was bound by any written law to respect them, their property and safety as long as the Jews didn't buy their protection from some influential Turk. And indeed when riots occurred in Turkish-occupied cities the Jews fell as easily prey to the Moslem mobs as any Christian raya might. Now I have addressed the question of Jews in Turkey in another comment of mine. "Proudly anti-American and anti-Semitic ... Turkey - the "stalwart ally" of America and Israel !" http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/146757 If you perceive any errors and mistakes there , please feel free to defend the Turkish excellence unjustly put to the pillori by Ianus. But try to be more specific and as matter-of-fact than a Moslem/Turk is wont to be. Repeating silly slogans, making unverified claims and pretending nobody knows anything about those things only aggravates your otherwise dubious position.
> It were the Turks in the second world war who helped escape many Jews from Europe.< Oh, really? I thought they helped only those Jews who had enough cash to buy their rescuers' favour. Turkish visas were very expensive. The lamentable fate of "the Struma" (December 1941-February 1942) does show the Turks were quite indifferent to the fate of Jews as long as no money could be extorted from the wretched Jewish refugees. Having arrived from the Nazi hell to Constantinople the Jews dreamt of being in a safe haven. The Turks put a tragic end to those Jewish dreams. So please leave your myth of Turkish Schindlers to those who have never considered the subject.
> It is a shame how the occupied countries themselves saw the Nazi Power as a good tool to get rid of the Jews they have been hating with all of their guts! It's a shame how the Turks distort history, how they make virtue of necessity, how impudently they lie! The Turks were most sympathetic to Hitler with whom they had splendid business relations and a non-aggression treaty. The Pan-Turkic delirium was at its height as the Nazis were approaching the Volga. At that time the Russians had to keep a whole army on the Turkish-Soviet frontier in case of a Turkish attack. The Turks were forced to declare war on Hitler only when the Red Army stood on the Bulgarian-Turkish frontier.
> I am very sure, if there was no Israel, but a country called Palestine, the local Araps would have been "normal" with Jews. As most people in the Middle East (if you want "Muslims") havce been living with Jews for centuries, and where Jews were part of society.<
You may twist words and call "dhimmis" or "rayas" "part of society" (by society you mean of course "ummah"). Yet I'd like to point out to you that since Bat Ye'or's in-depth study on Dhimmitude has become available , your deception and cheat have few chances of passing unnoticed.
> The only problem now for the Arab world is the state of Israel--> another great invention of the "white" man from Europe to get rid of the Jews they (pretended) they loved sooo much, at the cost of an innocent people.<
In a sense you are are right. Israel is the only problem ... but not just to make all Moslems happy but to prevent the Moslem cesspool spread across the wohle of teh Middle Middle East ! Israel is the only civilized country there and most probably will always be unless it is destroyed and occupied by the Arabs and/or Turks. It is the only country where you can say what you think without fear of being arrested, tortured and killed by religious/Kemalist police. Where in libraries you can find all books available on teh subject, not just those few censored and sponsored by the Turkish/Moslem Ministry of Truth. Indeed, as long as Israel exists at least one place exists where reason and common sense are not replaced by the Quran, Moslem lies and decendants of janissaries pretending to speak in the name of humanity.
> By the way, I am a Muslim and I am a Turk if you havent figured out yet!
Who else could have produced all that nonsense unless a Moslem and a Turk, Yasemin ?
> Stop picking ... Use your energy for love! Don't call your anti-Semitism, Moslem supremacism and hatred "love", Moslem wolf in sheep's clothing!
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