talking about critics
Submitted by berk akk (Turkey), May 7, 2009 at 04:39
"Hold on! What items? How are the items selected ? Are they representative for a wider set of the items of the same sort ?... Without answering these and other questions you cannnot get but subjective and arbitrary results in your experiments" "Take the nomad Yoruk e.g. ... None ...they are semi-litterate ... Or take a 'Polish city' in Islambul ...Talk to 40 people and you'll know through direct personal observation or self-observation taht this is Polish place"
Yes we can take 40 nomad yoruk arbitrariliy as an example and see result.same ,take 40 in that polish city see results.take other 960 see result among them.public surveys is important . but experiments give only results on their own environment.
"I told you something about public consensus in Turkey, didn't I ? With such conformists as Turks you can live on in your paradise of Ataturkistan and keep telling ignorant foreigners more sweet lies about it.""How do you mean? Google lies every time it produces some anti-Turkish results , e.g. H. Stuermer's book or other relevant documents instead of inundating us with cascades and rivers of unlimited Turkish genocide denial literature ?....Turkish version of the known events between 1915-1923?....." I had told you an huge international bloody game conducted against all civilisations among the inhabitants of the region including ermenians,turks.Unfortunately you cant see back side.But For an example who played a role see your own answer:"All more important posts in the Turkish General Staff , artillery , engineering and technical troops, armaments industry, navy and elswhere were taken by German officers and specialists. And this was true also about lesser jobs like commissioned officers, foremen and even factory workers as the Ottoman Empire with c. 90-95% illiteracy had no qualified workforce" Execuse me but you disregard oportunist and strategical games when blaiming turkey.Not only in the ottoman army but in dynasty ,many players was in head.One would ask what was the bussines of germans in the dardanels .Lets us answer those questions before blaiming Turkey..
"You have done your best but hopefully any potential reader realizes how counterproductive all your efforts have been. Self-observations is the latest of your tricks not to face unfalltering facts about your sweet Ataturkistan." I am not trying to falsity you or any reader.I just exhibit an approach.I am nobody here.Trying to make some exchange of viewpoints.My proposals are not trick but a view.I have no reason to make a trick .I dont expect from you a persuation.
"Now, 13 publishers bring 'Mein Kampf' on the market and you say">That doesn prove a hitler sympaty or other subjects on talk.
lets leave that hitler sympaty subject.Once more ,there is no hitler sypmaty on turkish public ...its nonsense.
"Those in power keep telling them about bad Americans and Jews supporting bad Kurds and the Turks hate the US and Israel more and more" all those in power are in direct cooperation with US and israel.If those were against them ,why they still get close relations in each subject.Instead of hate,there is incredible US admirenca among turkish youngs.Living in USA still a super dream here.
A movie (The valley of the wolves) is made -the most expenisve ever Turkish movie - with heavy jingoistic and anti-Semitic messages. It becomes the most popular Turkish movie ever ... But you have your "self-observations" that "prove" the contrary , don't you ... ? I didnt know books,movies would make bad sense to westerns in terms of "fameous "freedom of speech .Yes it is popular and watched by action film lovers.If you ask watchers most can not tell one word about antisemiticy they learned from the movie.It is only sensivitiy of toucy jews ..On the contrary ,some watchers including me ,get messages about whom provakes Turkish people against kurds,usa,jews...
"Have you realized that so far you have NOT expressed a single critical thought about Turkey and on the contrary have consistently tried to discourage me from expressing them. "
Till now ,i triyed to answer you.Please do not evaluate those answers as an obstruction to your thought expression.I am sory if that resulted in you.Of course we can talk any critics about anything. .Even in my family.I get tired of discususing with them.Please do not hesitate to express your thoughts.We can discuss each in detail under personal recognisation of life phylsopy.
"So you see no specific Turkish evils , only general items ... How reassuring ! It could have been an insult to angelic Turkishness if you thought of evil as being inbuilt part of Turkey !" I observe evils on all part of world not only in turkey.
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