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Submitted by berk akk (Turkey), May 7, 2009 at 08:01
""Shocked"? I wish you had been shocked by by 2,5-3 mln Christians exterminated by your superior Tukish race. Yet somehow your 'shock' is very selective. Good luck for Turkishness!"
Ianus ,till now you had a logic behind your thoughts.But this answer can not logicaly be related for my shock for your bood expectancy.We can discuss said 2,5-3 mln chr. exter. If you prove me i ll ofcourse be shocked no need you wish or not.Total number of turks including childrens ,men ,woman ,olds was only 8 million on that date.
"You Turks will be soon 100 000 000 and more. And how are you going to cope with this mad overpopulation if your imperialist and colonialist dreams in Europe and Turan don't come true as they can't "
I had explanied turanist and colonial dreams was left behind more then 100 years ago who sended to historu garbage dump by ataturk .You take a minority and generalisation among TC.Neither public nor TC have such dreams since ataturk.I wonder if trying to enter EU is regarded as colonial dream?
So soon you'll reveal to us that Liman von Sanders was 'actually' executing his subordinate Mustafa Kemal's (no Ataturk!!!) orders and not vice versa, won't you ? And that the modern technical war on the Dardanelles was not won thanks to these German experts and their performance but to the illiterate masses from Anatolia ? I will not reveal such but can say atatürk borned in that war.What would you expect form turkish people who gave 250.000 lifes for traitor sultan who entrusted his people to oportunists then escaped by a vessel of his so-called enemy.? What also would you expect from turkish people about liman von sanders with a memorable book "Five years in Turkey"? He fought for his own goals nothing more.
"In talk"...I've told you what sort of 'discussions' are possible in Turkey, haven't I ? Where you can't criticize the subject of the discussion no discussion is possible and can take place. And this is exactly all which is 'in talk' about Ataturk. A funny pantomine of eulogies where the actors are afraid to speak up not to be jailed for falsely pronouncing the hagiographic stanzas they were ordered to do.".Anyway in turkey there are innumbarable actions against ataturk mostly supported by ww1 ruins who serve for nonsensely unknown goals.They dont know something.If their country collapse ,they will have no place to go.Then may be they understand what does it mean to be stateless and remembers what was ataturk for them.
"The German accomplished the task of repairing and strenghtening the whole defense system on the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus. They operated the heavy artillery, managed the engineering and logistics tasks like reinforcements of the fortifications, military communication system, laying mines in the sea , anti-submarine operations , aviation, ran all factories producing powder and explosives, navy arsenals , docks ete.etc"
I have no rejection any german victory claim based on above mentioned items.But I have found no information about if they had fought for the freedom of turkish public.whatever sultan and said germans fight for resulted a great defeat .
"Not a good idea. The sultan didn't care about such trifles. Let's ask those officers -including Kemal- who were in charge there ! His jihadists destroyed Christian cemeteries and burnt Christians alive, so maybe they had learnt part of their unholy profession elsewhere ... in Gallipoli perhaps ?"You are good at attaining victory owners like germans,but when it is come to a point of finding guiltie ,you find ataturk.
"I was told by influential people that all the archives, stores of money, etc., had already been removed to Konia. (H. Stuermer , Two years in Constantinople, Lausanne 1917, p.85-86)"He was told by whom?Anway ,this is nothing to do with ataturk,TC and turkish public.
"Kemal was an opportunist who changed his identity according to the situation playing all possible roles to fool his opponents and make temporary friends wherever he needed them."Yes you are right.A classical state founder acts.He didnot make fatal wrongs as sultans entrusted his people to adventurous multinational games.His idendity always was free TC ,he acted his roles completely for this goal.Who were those opponets? temporary friends? yes he quited them since they were still not understood who was sultan and others were.
"Ataturk" in 1915 is an anachronism due to your ignorance which I cannot but stress here." i remind you we are not in a knowledge competition.I know the date given ataturk name to him officially.But ,me also cannot stress here your ignorancy that real Turkish people give ataturk name to him in 1881 unofficialy, in their hearts! .
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