Google - a weapon of anti-Turkism
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 6, 2009 at 10:15
berk akk wrote :
> self observation is important. we can talk about your self observations as well .Self obseration is like making an experiment on measurable items.<
Hold on! What items? How are the items selected ? Are they representative for a wider set of the items of the same sort ?... Without answering these and other questions you cannnot get but subjective and arbitrary results in your experiments... It's like an Algerian documentary made five days after the massacres in Oran (5.07.1962). They found an elderly man, made him speak what they wanted to hear and then with this 'evidence' in hand denied the slaughters. Doesn't it remind you of the way you Turks do away with the Armenian genocide testimonies and documents ?
> Like own observations how many people have mein kamp among 100,how many people speaks english among 1000,etc...<
Take the nomad Yoruk e.g. ... None ...they are semi-litterate ... Or take a 'Polish city' in Islambul ...Talk to 40 people and you'll know through direct personal observation or self-observation taht this is Polish place...and you can announce it solemnly to a naive Polack on PipesForum to glorify Turkey and Turkishness ... But wait ... how about 960 other inhabitans of Polonezköy...?
> Take the posibility of provacative numbers may have published on google.<
How do you mean? Google lies every time it produces some anti-Turkish results , e.g. H. Stuermer's book or other relevant documents instead of inundating us with cascades and rivers of unlimited Turkish genocide denial literature ?
So there you claim that one can't rely on "small number of percentages.what percentage might your 'self-observation' be ... 0,000 076 % ? a German told me : "What the Turks did to the Armenians , they will do one day to us here too") , you would retort .
> Personaly i dont support existence of turkish workers in germany.I have some relatives there too.They invited as workers .Ther are warious social shapes among them...<
United by one religion and one jingoistic racist creed, as most Germans have already painfully learnt hearing of girls killed by their family for prefering an uncircumcised German Christian dog to the pious boy called Murad or Mehmet.
> I just advice them to come back to their countrie
They should take back their mosques first of all back to Anatolia. In the meantime these 'secularists' at large are obsessed of covering Germany with minarets and Quranic schools.
>or if not adapt german culture..<
Turks don't integrate and for a good reason. How could Moslems integrate and adopt a culture of those German gavurlar (kafirs) who don't even want to accept the only true Turkish version of the known events between 1915-1923?
> My self observations among them shows a german admirance rather than killing them. Each year more than 2 million german visits turkey with similing faces.<
Turkey is cheap... Their smile disappears as soon as they learn the case of Marco W. and a few nasty things about Turkey's police state as revealed by it and by other things. Of course, a mass tourist spending 2-3 weeks in Pamphylia doesn't care much about what sort of country he or she is actually in. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it ?
> If you can give an example of lets say 20 arbitrary choosen german or known friends of number 50 and says something common ,yes,this brings a serious observation and must be taken into consideration. My self observations based on 20 years,thousands of people in various parts of turkey.<
I told you something about public consensus in Turkey, didn't I ? With such conformists as Turks you can live on in your paradise of Ataturkistan and keep telling ignorant foreigners more sweet lies about it.
Have you realized that so far you have NOT expressed a single critical thought about Turkey and on the contrary have consistently tried to discourage me from expressing them. You have done your best but hopefully any potential reader realizes how counterproductive all your efforts have been. Self-observations is the latest of your tricks not to face unfalltering facts about your sweet Ataturkistan.
"And what is your point about 'easy Google search'? It saves time and you often get results and finds comparable or even better to a laborious search in a big library. I did both so I can compare"
>The point is google finds what you want from it to find.<
It can't find what doesn't exist (c. well-preserved and respected Greek cemeteries in Northern Cyprus ). And it's worthwhile to look for contrary or any evidence in case of doubt. It's the only way to prove (not in your inverted sense) if something is valid or not.
> Advantage of Self observation is arising question marks in results you find.Like mein kamp book ,hitler sympaty subject.<
Question marks arise when you compare what you know to what you is new to you. Critical thinking is necessary to ask questions. But in an Oriental culture like Islamo-Kemalism questioning authority is both discouraged and dangerous. So you risk too much by drawing the logical conclusion from "Mein Kampf's" popularity that nazism is on the rise in Turkey just like you should conclude from "Metal Fitrina's" popularity the rise of anti-Americanism.
"Now, 13 publishers bring 'Mein Kampf' on the market and you say"
>That doesn prove a hitler sympaty or other subjects on talk.<
Total coincidence ... just like between the dark cloud and heavy rain , what?
> But one should be thankfull on them since a general oppinion among the readers about the book is boring narsist arrogant dead ideology .It is interesting that why you dont want to accept that fact among the turkish public.<
I know that Turkish readership for serious works is very narrow and generally Turks don't read much but if they do as "Metal Fitrina" it must have very important political and ideological reasons. From the point of view of those who extert power in Turkey Turks are ideal slaves. They will do whatever the government will tell them to do. Those in power keep telling them about bad Americans and Jews supporting bad Kurds and the Turks hate the US and Israel more and more. A book is written about some heroic Turks destroying the US Satan with a stolen nuclear device becomes a best seller at once! A movie (The valley of the wolves) is made -the most expenisve ever Turkish movie - with heavy jingoistic and anti-Semitic messages. It becomes the most popular Turkish movie ever ... But you have your "self-observations" that "prove" the contrary , don't you ... ?
> I am not trying to make a perfect turkish image.<
It is exactly what you have beeing trying to do so far.
>There are items bothering me as well.As there are in other cultures too.<
So you see no specific Turkish evils , only general items ... How reassuring ! It could have been an insult to angelic Turkishness if you thought of evil as being inbuilt part of Turkey !
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