Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 13, 2009 at 16:26
Truthful ... writes :
> There is no such thing as the Armenian genocide!!!<
...and Ataturk was no alcoholic ... and Ataturkistan is the "country of innocence and freedom" to quote another Turk ... and Turkish hordesmen invented vaccines hundreds of years ago ... and saved Constantinople from a Greek invasion in 1453 ... We know the Turkish fairy tales ad nauseam , don't we?
> This is simply a figment of the Armenian fanatics imagination THAT is ALL.<
If someone is suffering from severe amnesia and disturbed imiaginaion it is definitely the Turks. And that's all.
> During the breakdown of the Ottoman Empire the Armenian minority in the war zone was instigated against the Turks at which point they started hitting Turkish defensive lines from behind as well as murdering Turkish villagers.<
How could they do that by Allah? All able-bodied Armenians between 18-45 had been drafted to serve in labour batallions at the outbreak of the war. In the war zone the flower of the Ottoman forces was concentrated and suddenly Armenian female&elderly villagers decimate and defeat the invincible Turkish army that pushed the Allied armies at Gallipoli ?? ... Or are you implying the cowardly and panic-stricken Turks couldn't even cope with Armenian villagers, who had as gavurlar had no proper military training under Islam, let alone face the triumphant Russian army ?
> The Armenians were promised a country of their own for their complicity.<
How so ? The Russians gave Armenians no state in Russia and should now create an Armenian state instead of incorporating directly the whole of conquered Anatolia to the Russian empire ?
> However the Armenian revolt backfired as the Turkish Authorities decided to move them out of the battle zone so that they would not keep creating trouble by stabbing the Turks with whom they had lived in peace for many centuries.<
Has anybody lived with Turks in peace for centuries ? ... That would be a historical sensation !!!! By the way, were Bursa, Aydin or Izmit also in the war zone? They seem to lie 1000 km and more away from the then war zone and yet the expulsions also affected the Armenians there ... The Armenians must have had very long hands indeed to stab the brave Turkish soldiers from such a distance at the back !
> During this relocation thousands of Turkish soldiers along with many Armenians lost their lives as a result of inter communal strife, starvation, disease.<
"... inter- communal strife, starvation, disease" - aren't you quoting some official ready-to-use Turkish genocide-denial manual ? I can't believe you have coined the sonorous abstract phrases yourself.
> The number of Armenians who lost their lives are estimated <
Did the Turks make any estimations ? From what I know Talaat's calculus was "No surviving Armenian" , no accounts, no precise documentation underway ... Besides, teh Turks have never been good at maths. They had to rely on Armenians and Greeks to do statistics for them.
> to be about two hundred thousand <
200 000 Armenians exterminated by theTurks during what period ? Summer 1915 ? The Kemalist Armenian genocide of the September-November 1920 war ? The Armenians slaughtered or burnt alive personally on Kemal's oders in Smyrna and Cilicia ? ... That might be plaussible. And these ten thousand Armenians here , a hundred thousand Armenians there must be added carefully and the result will be like that known of c. 1,5 mln people exterminated in cold blood by the Turk.
> as opposed to the 'fictional figure' falsely suggested by fanatic Armanian groups.<
... "fictional", "falsely suggested" , "fanatic figure" ... It's both too much and too little. Logically and stylistically speaking it's too much. One of them would do. If these terms are self-referential, then they definitely aren't sufficient to describe accurately the Turkish lie machine that has generated the above comment.
> The Armenian minority within the Empire had been declared 'loyal millet' or a privilaged minority and served in high office at the Ottoman Turkish Administration.<
With c. 95% illiteracy rate (never heard of "kaba türkler"?) among Islamic populations of the Ottoman Empire the Armenians together with the Greeks and Jews were the only educated and qualified group able to handle tasks where professional and academic education (e.g. bank system, statistics , accounting etc. ) was necessary.
But the problem was that those who made a real career in the state administration tended to Islamize to have chances of promotion and avoid anger of superiors in cases of failures, corruption scandals or political purges. With the advent of Young Turks and their extermination policy even before 1915 the Armenians in high positions had even fewer chances to remain where they were unless they became renegades which they willingly did. And so they weren't representative of the bulk of the civilian Armenian community that had no military traditions and organization to pose a real threat to the militarily well-trained and fanatical Turkish master-race armed to the teeth .
> There had never been any problems with the Armenians until the end of WW I <
Yes, it's always the Armenians that had problems with you. You either beheaded Armenian apostates who changed their minds or organized Hamidian massacres ( 1894-1896) or Adana masscares ( 1909) or found thousand other ways to make Armenians' and Greeks' life impossible.
>when the Ottoman Empire was fighting enemy on all fronts and until the Russians convinced the Armenians to 'STAB the TURKS in the BACK'!!! That is all there is to it !<
The Russians did that ? What for ? To expose the Armenian villages depleted of young men to Turkish murderous rage ? The story was quite different.
I am prone to believe that at the beginning the Turks had no plan of whole extermination of Armenians. Other more urgent problems than wasting time, soldiers and munitions on slaughtering useless Armenian villagers in remote forests and valleys of little strategic importance were occupying them at the end of 1914. In November 1914 Enver Pasha designed a brilliant plan of a quick victory over the Russians - "liberation of the Caucasus". The idea was not bad, its execution senseless and catastrophic. He started the operations with force but they soon turned out to be one of the worst military disasters in the whole Turkish history. Out of more than 90 000 soldiers of the Caucasus army at the beginning of the offensive only a few thousand survived - wounded, ill, hungry, despairing and angry. To hide the enormous scale of his military incompetence and defeat as well as to shark any responsibility Enver forbade the word "Sarykamysh' (it's no joke!) to be ever mentioned. But first and foremost he needed and found a scapegoat. He chose the Armenians. One couldn't do anything to the victorious Russians but one could easily slaughter the defenceless Armenians blaming them for everything just to hide the Turkish indolence and never ending military failures. It's how it all started. It had nothing to do with Armenians killing Turks What for? The Russians did it much better and on a much larger scale !!! Besides, the Armenians were no idiots and knew that for every killed Turk the Turks would kill 10, 50 , 100 and more Armenians.
>Had the Armenian gangs not initiated their murderous campaign against the Turks from within there would have been no reason to relocate them to today's Syria <
Now tell me why again they relocated the Armenians from places thousand of miles away from the war zone to send them even closer to the Russian war zone in the Caucasus and Northern Iraq than they were before? Something is very illogical in your tale.
I put a big underlined triple question mark after your >PERIOD!< ???
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