"Easy falsifying of anti-turkic words" made difficult
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Apr 30, 2009 at 08:21
BERK AKK wrote :
> Of course I know the meaning of "prove".In order to make a proof ,first of all there must be a healthy theory.<
Petitio principii ! How are you going to prove your theory is sound in the first place ? The same way you Moslems "prove" everything through your nonsensical and self-explanatory Islam and no less absurd and crooked Kemalist magic ?
> For example ,let me take your muslim as subject and assume it is true knowing some facts SS had used groups for their goals in many parts of world. <
"Some facts" ? As far as I can remember you have quoted no facts at all but have made a number of claims and rejected any Moslem involvement in WWII. When I questioned your irresponsible and silly claims you still had cheek to reply : "3-400 000 muslim in NAZI power sounds boasting .Are you aware of the number you say".
> First ,Please remember a part of our discussion was started on whether muslims were responsible for WW2 german SS action and death of millions of people all over the world.<
Our discussion was provoked by your self-assured assertions submitted here on Apr 20, 2009 at 04:09
> Or these walues is about the subject of killing millions each other in 2nd world war ?
Did u forget bombarded cities in France,Germany ,poland?Dear sir unfortunately there was nobody from islam and turkish side in those wars where 50 miilion young ,kids and olders were killed. So before claiming others take a look at the history . I kindly advice you to accept War and crime is not related to religious and nationalist terms but related to underground capital colonists.<
It turns out that both plenty people from dar al-Islam Islam. Those 400 000 were just young men and each of them had a large family and friends who sympathaised with his decision and shared the same vicious Islamic worldview. Furthermore the Turkish side provided strategic economic and moral aid to Germany during the war.
On a personal note I heard a story told by an elderly retired head of a local textile factory who during his trip to Ankara in the 70-ies was was accosted a Tatar speaking broken Polish. He was from the Crimea and was in the SS , participated in suppressing the Warsaw uprising in 1944 and later fled to Turkey as a 'humanitarian' refugee. I just wonder how many similar 'refugees' were sheltered in Ataturkestan ?
> I wonder what does it prove the involvement of muslims an amount of 2.6% of total G.A.F. and let me leave remaining 97.4%.<
It does prove one important thing which I am sure you - true to your tactics of evasion where you feel beaten- will never admit in public even if you happen to reply to this comment. It shows the absurdity of your statement : "there was nobody from islam and turkish side in those wars where 50 miilion young ,kids and olders were killed."
To paraphrase your own glib words "easy falsifying of anti-turkic words" is not as easy as the Turks imagine in the bliss of their ignorance.
> Remembering the basic point of the discussion ,shall we assume followings are proved?
1)All muslims are in the side of SS army?(Allgemeine SS ?) <
There were no Moslem units in the Red Army or on the Allied side. So correcting your non sequitur to the effect that "All regular Moslem military units belonged to the SS" is necessary.
> 2) 2,6 % muslim volunteers designed the war and managed SS army and secret german war plans?Made huge german weapons ,secred bases,and rockets later used for moon landing.?submarines ,missiles,aircrafts ...<
Moslems are too... unfit to do anything requiring higher intelligence and special training like the above. Their contribution was of a different and no less crucial sort. Rounding up Jews in the Balkans, pacifying Serbian villages, hunting guerillas, destroying Orthodox churches, terrorizing and massacring non-Moslem civilians, protecting mosques and mullahs, spreading the cult of the Fuehrer as Allah's darling...
> Unfortunately it is imposible to prove above item nuber 1 knowing the following facts.,
"Knowing"? So far I haven't discovered much of your 'knowing' anything, Moslem.
> PROOF STUDY
-Even today there are still military actions among bosnian,serbians and hırvats.It is hard to make a direct correlation with ss action.<
Not for those who have been interested in recent Balkan history and the Moslem strategy during WWII. Moslems have a very long memory and usually revive the older traditions as transmitted in their ancestors' stories. Albanian Moslems and their jihadist methods are today as they were before in Hitler's days. Their new protector's and employer's name is no longer die SS but NATO. True, their have better weapons and better propaganda machine.
> -Thousands of ordinary jewish citisens expulsied from various part of Europe refuged to "a muslim country" Turkey.Thousands of jewish scientists and artists did the same.Even Turkish Parliment assembly building was architected by such a scientist.( prof dr.Clemens Holzmeister).Name of more than 1000 jevish is known, to be sheltered by special help of atatürk in 1933.<
Those who were able to pay hefty bribes to save their life were saved. Smuggling Jews to Turkey was no humanitarian effort on the Turkish side at all comparable to real heroes like Schindler but a big profit-making and semi-criminal enterprise from which many Turks grew fat. How things looked in reality was shown when out of a sudden some penniless Jews popped up in Ataturk's paradise allegedly so Jewish-friendly. The Struma ship which in 1942 managed to transport them almost by miracle to Constantinople was pushed back by the Turks without any pangs of conscience. Had the Rumanian Jews had gold and dollars to pay the corrupt Turkish authorities, they would have been saved. The rule was as all in Turkey simple and down-to-earth - "No bakshish , no saving Jews". All the Jewish Struma refugees but one perished. This is not the "bright" side of Turkish self-glorifying history, so most consumers of Turkish lies don't know it and its deeper implications.
> 2.Thousands of such refuges not only sheltered in Turkey but employed too.Yes.. high grade employements.Universities,hospitals..I can inform you many faculty founders.<
It proves the above point. Turkey didn't care about the humanitarian dimension of the issue. It's was a profit in terms of money and political and economic calculus that counted. Human -particularly kafiri - life is cheap in Turkey. But it seemed to pay off to have some educated and rich Jews working for backward, uneducated and poor Turkey.
> 3-Not only jews but even Greek refuges to a "muslim country! Yes.Not tens,hundreds..but ..50-60 Thousands.sheltered.<
How sweet ! First Turkey organizes their slaughters, pogroms, expropraiations, persecutions and then Turks boast of Moslem hospitality and generosity.
> 4-I can also inform you sources of information about hundreds of thousands of killed muslims in russian side by ss army during russian war.<
Can you ? Perhaps you can also tell me why Stalin had all Crimean Tatars and Chechens expelled as soon as their territories were recaptured by the Red Army ?
> Ianus , if the subject is WHOM responsibility of killed miilions in ww2 ,yes i can prove the responsibility is 100% ss army and its designers.Could i have a small success in my proof?<
What you are trying to 'prove' here is that we shouldn't care about Turkey's crime and unvarying and consistent Turkish lies about them. You focus on WWII and teach about poor Muslims killed by bad non-Moslems...teh eternal Moslem tale hoping in secret to force or instil your unsound theory of "easy falsifying of anti-turkic words" upon us ...
I wanted to add a few stronger words at the end, but I'd better abstain from them. They are easily deducible from the above.
Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".
Reader comments (529) on this item
Comment on this item
Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum. Daniel J. Pipes