The difference between Islamization and Christianization
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Apr 18, 2009 at 05:40
berk akk !
The favourite Moslem trick to deflect attention from the real problems intrinsic in Islam is by way of false analogies, wrong comparisons and unresearched conclusions, by comparing proverbial apples and oranges. It's all the PC manuals on how to speak on Islam are about. Compare Dr. Pipes' recent article on dhimmi Voice of America.
It's exactly what every Moslem does when he tries to avoid discussion of the indefensible flaws and structural failures of Islam. It's exactly what you're doing in your reply - just like your compatriots here and elsewhere.
In a way I see it as a sign of despair. You know you're wrong. You know Islam is crime and understand why you should abandon it for ever. But you can't. Fear is too strong and all present. Woe to him who drops Islam on the garbage heap of history where it belongs and other Moslems get wind of it ! Islam is like a cancer against which there is just one cure but the sick are forbidden by the powerful doctors who thrive on this sickness to apply the cure.
> I would like to inform you that many good religions in Europa was exterminated by christianity.<
First of all, I am no Christian but I find it unfair to attribute things to Christendom which don't belong to it and lead to ill-grounded conclusions.
Unlike Islam Christianity was spread by missionaries. The first 300 years of its existence - and most of its later career- are a work of mouth , so to speak, not of sword. Armenia , Ethiopia , Georgia , Gothia, Bulgaria, Serbia were all converted this way. Even all early Christian successes in Arabia were due to this sort of intellectual and oral activity, not military incursions and mass executions so characteristic of Islam. Learned monks who wandered in the destert and knew how to heal diseases, how to solve disputes, how to tell nice stories and speak in a way no barbarian was able to were a subject of curiosity and superstitious awe of the nomads. The new ways and ideas impressed the primitive mind and were gradually accepted among the Arabs. Had Mohammed been stopped on time, Arabia would be today what Poland or Serbia is. And you Turks would be our best friends selling your carpets and silk at the market near Hagia Sophia after participating together with the Greeks in a daily Christian service in it. In short, violence was not the cornerstone of Christianity. It didn't make it successful at its critical age and, besides, ran counter to its original message. It was only with Constantine the Great and political power it gained that things changed although - as I said - they were incompatible with Jesus' acts and words. They provoked bitter struggles of those Christians who came power against those that didn't agree. Sects and haeresies that contested the new power were a result and were as bitterly oppressed as the followers of Mani or of the Olympian gods.
Now look at Islam. Mohammed started as an orphan dreamer. He fled to Medina and within a few years all of his previous mild ayats were abrogated. The "prophet" turned into a ruthless gangster and what he taught now by deed had to have universal value. He beheaded, stole, raped, assassinated, falsified to enhance his cause. And this code of conduct is seen as obligatory for every of his followers. Every Moslem wants to be like his 'prophet". Islam needed a decade or less to adopt violence and terror as its standard 'missionary' method.
What a difference from Christianity where Jesus' 'ayats' of love and brotherhood have never been repealed, not even by Justianin's agents in faith or the Spanish Inquisition.
> When you say Islam killed religions in the territory,one would also ask you the story of extinct GODS lost in poland,germany or continental europe.<
In Poland just like in Russia it wasn't Christian jihad that brought Christianity through the sea of blood and destruction but our prince Mieszko's cunning policy. He married a Christian princess and it's how it started. The same applies to Kievian Russia.
One thing Christinity abolished was our forefathers' barbarous ritual of killing a young girl for spring festival. Nestor in his chronicle describes how a Christianized Varangian opposed this rite as its was his child that had been chosen. And when one reads Nestor - a great Russian patriot - one is amazed that he prefered the Greek ways introduced by Vladimir to the previous ways of cruel god Perun. Christianity pacified the warlike Varangians. They stopped their raids against Byzantium.
As to Germany it was St. Boniface who converted most, just as Ulfila had done before among the Goths. The Germans believed a thunder would smite anyone who dares cut down the holy oak. Boniface did and no thunder struck him. He didn't have to cut throats to show the Germans what was wrong with Odin and Thor.
> As far as i know poland was not christian 1500 years ago.What happend them?<
See the above. The fact is that Christinity brought higher civilization than what we had had before and a new political power to Poland. It was not a bloody foreign conquest and enslavement to invaders as in the case of the Arabs and Turks imposing their Islam. We were taught Latin and new Western learning came, cities were built after Western standards. The first Polish chronicle in Latin was written by a French monk. The followers of Slavonic god Sviatovid didn't use to write and as I said I'd be the last person to idealize their raw culture although I gladly admit they were my ancestors.
> İn the wery early past one day all people came together and decided to leave their religions and voluntaryly jumped in to christianty and buşlt beatiful churces voluntarly?.Also i would like to mention that christianity also treat human by death game in many ways ...what is hell? what is death angels? arent they threat<
Study early Polish history to learn how bloody ancient Slavic religions were. It was not all cakes and ale but human sacrifices. And - I repeat- Christianity did not come to Poland on foreign scimitars like Islam to Anatolia or the Balkans. So don't compare apples to oranges. And you should better check your pedigree as most Turks are Turkified and forcibly Islamized Christians - Greeks, Armenians and Slavs. I am sure you're no Turk at all. But kidnapped Christian boys were the most rabid enemies of their parents' civilization.
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