the future ? ..... more of the same
Submitted by the Grand Infide of Kaffiristan (Australia), Apr 22, 2009 at 20:44
Berk Akk writes:
"i personally agree in many terms like not forcing any doctrine in schools. I have my kid 5 years old and i try to protect him such items.It is for sure inacceptable that teaching kids as enemies of other nations or beliefs and growing them teror minded personals."
" But I wonder if you are a bit of willing to find at least a small common point between yours and mine? İs it so dificult ,sir ?"
We can agree on the fact that we arrive here, we have a life and we will leave. If we can live life consciously without harming ourselves and actually being of practical help to our fellow humans along the way , that's a great thing. However when people follow an ideology that insists that only it is the right way for us to experience reality - supreme among all other approaches - then that is where a line is crossed . And then when its adherents think that people who do not follow this ideology are unworthy, misguided, lower than low etc - well, you tell me - what would you expect rational human beings to think? And especially when the source of the ideology was an uneducated person, prone to fantasy who would be diagnosed as being a sexual predator/deviant .
If a person is insane but a billion people think he sane, he is still insane.
". Modern Turkey is based on universally accepted concepts.It is a huge country ,many different nationals living inside.we turks under worst conditions .İf u dont believe i can send you picures here from around..."
I'm sure parts of it must be. if you'd noticed - we actually live on a majestically beautiful planet - and that's not due to the inhabitants of various landmasses.
".Sİnce 40 years in my daily life i have heard nothing badly sounds gainst other religions or nationals.."
Oh, OK. Then you must have missed that horrifc slaugther of a Christian pastor and 3 of his local staff a couple of years back.
Don't they report such things in Turkish media? And if Turkey is 99% Muslim - you're no going to hear very much about problems with other religions are you? Not like here - where since Muslims started to arrive in any great number since the mid 1970's - there have been increasing problems. .
Now note the paragraph from the previously mentioned article:
" "Where are we? I am disgusted by theses atrocities which seem to repeat themselves again and again with ever increasing violence, in a country which promotes itself as a secular and democratic majority Muslim nation. But where is the respect for differences, for the religious and ethnic minorities present on the territory? .............
Today, Turkey cries out at the shocking scandal, against the nightmare of religious hatred which persists, yet no-one is courageous enough to really take a stand, to condemn not only this religious hatred, but also the mass media which with great subtly and cunning continues to brainwash people with propaganda which incites them to believe that we are evil, that we want to wipe them out, to take away their faith and turn them from their beliefs in the God of Mohammad. Is it not perhaps the opposite? Look at the figures, look at the statistics: they tell us that since the era of Ataturk the construction of places of worship have been banned, and for this we are not authorized to open new churches, only there where there is already a Christian presence (usually foreigners), but the mosques sprout up like mushrooms all over Turkey. They tells us that , once again due to Ataturks' laws, we cannot run courses of Christian formation, seminars, nor – taking into account what happened yesterday – can we produce didactic materials to educate or inform Christians. Why, I ask, does no-one speak out against courses on the Koran which are held each summer in public schools for children?
They fear conversions, but its nota s if we are a pack of missionaries who go around baptizing all everybody we meet: let us count the numbers of newly converted, let us count the numbers of pastors and religious who live on Turkish soil, then let us count the number of Imams who receive a monthly wage from the State, let us count the number of Christians who go to Islam due to work pressures or marriage, if we do so we see there can be no doubts about the massive imbalance.
If Turkey truly wants to be a free, democratic, secular republic, then it has to stop mocking us. Rather it should seriously commit itself to defending and safeguarding the rights of each citizen, of each person despite their ethnic or religious background. But is their really the will to do so? Who is it that wants to make us hate this land and these people who we came to serve and help, and for whom we are ready to give our own lives? Let us begin to admit in all honesty and transparency who is behind the murders, which for over a year now, have been plaguing the nation of Turkey: after don Andrea Santoro, Hrant Dink, and our three Presbyterian employees, whose turn is it next? "
Very pertinent questions.Has there been much progress in answering them over the last 2 years?
".Secret agrrements on 2nd ww is historians subjects but as individual i cry for innocent people died anywhere in the world.PLEASE dont try to say Turks or a mufti created and responsible for dead millions in ww2."
Why don't you just cop it sweet and for once admit you were absolutely, totally wrong when you made the following statement::
""Dear sir unfortunately there was nobody from islam and turkish side in those wars where 50 miilion young ,kids and olders were killed. So before claiming others take a look at the history ."
But maybe I'm asking too much - it's not out of character for certain groups of people not to admi they were wrong.
You have to agree privately if not publically - that it is you yourself who should get his facts straight before making a statement. I'll listen to honest evaluation, not lies or dogma and please, don't whitewash Islam and expect us to listen
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