The holy revisited
Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 6, 2009 at 07:09
Our dear BERK whose ancestors the Greeks and the Armenians and the Syrians were brutalized by the Turks and whose some of his best friends are "mountain Turks" wrote
>"Oh let me see: suppose we have a Christian tribe form let us say central Asia and let us say this tribe invade the Hijaz and the convert all of Saudi Arabia into a Christian country by the sword and the Ka3bba becomes a church! How would you feel our dear BERK?"-Istanbul and many other cities once upon a time was city of unknown number of lost populations.
Really? could you name one or two? Oh let me guess: the missing Greeks and the "deported" Armenians? Right?
>Who is the owner is depended on historical condition.
"What historical condition"? Oh let me guess: you have nothing to say right?
>Byzantine was not there lets say 3000 yrs ago.
Oh let me see: and the invading Turks were not there some 500-600 years ago. Right?
>Before them there was hittites,frigs and many others on anotalia land.
I thought that our dear yasemin told us that here were Turks even before the Greeks! So you Turks have to make up your mind
And oh there were pagans in Mecca before Muslims took over. Right?
>it is a war dream to say "everybody go home.if u dont have a home to go ..then you can die"
What gave you the impression that I'm saying: Turks must return to Asia? What I'm saying is stop your Turkish delsuions and realize that your ancestors were Greeks and Armenians and Syrians and that you should stop supporting the Turkish evil that brutalized your own people and be free again
>-"invade the Hijaz and the convert all of Saudi Arabia into a Christian country " it is a mystery for me the position of hijaz.The mystery :.Center of islam is kabbe.The center of all kinds of muslim actions. According to muslims Kabbe will stay as mulim place "forever".
But it also can be taken over like occupied Constantinople and the ka3bba becomes converted inot a Christian Church the same as what happened to Hagia Sophia the holiest place for many Christian Orthodox
>Kabbe is also not defended seriously.
Oh let me see: and hagia Sophia was not defended seriously right?
>S.Arabia a good allie of usa( ı dont know for what reason:)).
What does this have to do with my example of a Christian tribe from Asia invading the Hijaz?
>I realy wonder what would happen and why not tryed up to now taking kabba to prove muslim world : muslims!! see now?
Well it could happen and it did happen to the Holy Byzantine Empire and to Hagia Sophia
>kabba is a church.what happend to your holy kabbe?" In fact it must be very easy by a small operation.
And do you think that it would be right for such Christian tribe to kill and brutalize the people of the Hijaz and then a Saudi who is now a Christian comes here and justifies the crimes of such Christian tribe against his own people?
>I personaly dont believe istanbul is a holy land.
Mya be you do not but to many Eastern Orthodox Christians it is a holy city
>But if it is holy for you i can try to share your feelings.
Share what feelings?
> I believe kabba is holy .One of corner stone of belief is it will be forever muslim place.Let me tell u,if one day if by any reason i see kabbe is say a church or anything similar.".
Then what would you do?
>How would you feel our dear BERK?".i would feel that I was totaly wong in that belief,it was was not holy and will not be holy anymore.
Then abandon islam and stop being a victim of the Turks that invaded your country and brutalized your own ancestors and be free again
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