Ne mutlu 'türk değilim' diyene! (Happy is he who will say "I am not a Turk" ! )
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 24, 2009 at 05:09
yigit ="brave boy" wrote
>mustafa kemal is not even muslim.
Sure, he is not a Moslem. He died so many years ago an alcoholic's death - cirrhosis of the liver. Despite that small unIslamic trifle he was a Moslem most of his life just like all his followers were. He changed his mind only after his caliph had issued a death fatwa on him for disobedience and unleashed a civil war against him. It was fear for his own life that turned this malicious and murderous jihadist into a sudden 'secualrist'.
> all radical muslim hate him.
The caliph's death fatwa is still valid, isn't it? The "moderate" Moslems shall understand it too.
> you can ask arabs or radical muslims about that.
I rely on such an authority as yigit(=brave boy) instead. It's much better, isn't it ?
>ataturk say that he doesnt follow arab religions and any other religions.<
What Kemal said and what Kemal did was seldom the same thing. He deceived and betrayed everybody he could (Lenin, the French, the Brits, the Americans, the Kurds, his own imams) so quoting what he said is just part of the old deception not to see what he did.
> i understand that you r angry to turks. poland is a ex-communist country and they have alot of economical problem.<
I find your expression "I understand" quite exaggerated. Turkey is hated by all her neighbours and all who know her a little bit irrespective of economic and social regime or conditions. Turkey is hated for what she stands for - tyranny, parasitism and impudent lies, violence, megalomania. So why these pseudo-Marxist-Freudian explanations to obfuscate the unwelcome truth , brave boy (=yigit) ?
>and gazi means person that injuried in war. any people can be gazi. it doesnt relate islam.
This is a nonsense and most probably your intentional lie. I have adressed it in a previous post. "Gazi" comes from "gazavat" =jihad and means "jihadist". Kemal wasn't injuried in the war against the Entente 1919-1922 as far as I know. And only he got the title of Gazi - the destroyer of Christians- in 1921 as it was the old Ottoman practice that "the honorific title of ghazi was assumed by those Muslim rulers who showed conspicuous success in extending the domains of Islam, and eventually the honorific became exclusive to them".
Now either you are pretending not to know that (I admit your ignorance can serve as an extenuating circumstance) or you are trying to fool the readers.
>as i see you are polish kind redneck. and very uneducated person you r.
What sort of education you yourself possess you have just shown - a series of bombastic unsubstantiated statements, dogmas, fairy tales, allegations. Typical of the perverted oriental mind. Not a single relevant reference or quote , no rational criticism at all. What for ? A Turk knows better just as a Moslem does. It's so oriental, isn't it ?
> you believe that we have a quranic school>???
What school did imam Erdogan attend then ? What are e.g. Imam Hatip schools ? What is the purpose of the innumerable Quranic courses across Ataturkistan ?
> lol do you really believe that? have you been in turkey? dude you have really big problems.
Don't worry about my problems, Turk. Now that Turkey has adopted the strategy of arresting(or assassinating) foreigners for criticizing Turkishness and Ataturk I'd discourage anyone to enter that vile and despotic country. If anyone has big problems, it's your Ataturkistan,
>i m turkish and i m not a muslim.
Another self-proclaimed 'secularist' ? It's interesting that you claim not to belong to the 99,8% Turkish Moslem monoculture. Following your 'understanding' I conclude secularism in Turkey is as strong as the death fatwa against Gazi (=jihadist) Mustafa Kemal.
> i dont like islam and i dont like covered people . i m ataturk supporter. ataturk was a real hero.
Sing on , brave boy (=yigit) ...
> plz read some books before show your ...opinons about turkey
It's funny to see how high your alleged scholarly standards are and how dismally you fail to meet the most basic of them yourself. Turkishnees and Ataturk's mad worship stand and fall with terror, prisons, assassinations, gazavat - not with scholarly research, disinterested critical discuassion which is impossible under Turkey's oriental despotism and obscurantism. You know that and I know that. So who do you want to hoodwink with your scholastic tales , brave boy (=yigit) ?
As to myself I read and quote from books and relevant articles rather more than I shoud. Whoever inspects my posts , will see I tend to support my opinions with relevant sources. Reading your progaganda garbage instead I can sigh with relief. How happy is he who is no brainwashed Turk like you or all the other Turks I have come across! Ne mutlu 'türk değilim' diyene!
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