Reader comment on item: Does Turkey Still Belong in NATO?
Submitted by berk akk (Turkey), May 5, 2009 at 05:27
"The place was well known to the Greeks from time immemorial. Have you ever heard of Jason and the Argo?..............
Our discussion is going to vain point.I did not claim first founder of istanbul was turks but that city had been used for many known ,unknown inhabitants. .if that argument based on byzas founder going to claim a land from the current owners and judge the Turkis people on a supreme court it is totaly dream.Anyway i have no property in istanbul.I think i will be acquictted.ı also have a special historical family story about istanbul and if u like i can write.
"And of course the Turkish archaelogists have already found Turkish DNA there which brilliantly 'supports' state-sponsored theory of Turkish origin of everything, what " But again the Turkish archaelogists' only task is to find (or invent if they don't find what they are told to to do) evidence supporting the Turkish theory".Onthe contrary,there are many of them who are working blindness affectantly for the goals of ermenians,greeks .I think some of them think to get bravo from them foolisly.Your generalisation infact a small minority.
"Exterminated" ? How well you know what happened "hundreds of years ago"! ... Anyway, if they had been exterminated, then the Turks could not descend from them and ATATURK WOULD HAVE BEEN WRONG which he NEVER was !!! It would be an insult to Turkishness to say so!"
I wisited historical ruins of hittites and friges.There are many monuments araound as well.They dissapeared almost suddenly. Some of them said to move other parts of region.There is no theory of direct ancestral relation .I never insult not only turkishness but any other nation.
"You keep speaking of 'serious topics' and all of them as you expose them turn out on closer examination to be a miserable farce" I could not translate totaly but as far as i sense has a bad load to me:)
"If "unproven", then it's no 'evidence', I'd presume. But if it is, then I'll rather call "a fairy tale" "an unproven history". Conjectures are quite legitimate unless they so grossly offend common sense as Turkish pseudo-historical fantasies do."
Evidence: Imagine a court.attorney generalship put forward Some evidences against a criminal.
unproven evidence:some evidence can be proven ,but there may be evidences that can not be proven on court and they could ask more evidences to support the unproven one.
do u think all human history enlightened?Present knowledge of Beyond 4000 is almost a myth..But beyond date it is full of secrets that can only be explained in terms of theories.Any theory is based on some evidences not need to be agreed provement.Such as darvins exposition evidences of evolution.For example ,say 10000 years ago,.Scientificaly one can talk about footprints of present nations.But bofore 20.000 years,i think we cant talk about any nation exist today..There are lingually and mystical similiarities between far parts of world.It could be pseudo-historical fantasies for you but there are similiarities between old turkish gods and greek gods and in roots of words. The logic says that there must be a common ancestor not neceseraly be called turkish for all humans living in earth today.An approach for a explanation can not be related to a supperrace theory as distorted by others.
"Why? I start liking the modern Turkish fairy tales. I found their ancient ones very boring and disgustful instaed ...you know this zoophilia where Ashina impregnates a she-wolf at least ten times to produce the heads of the main turkic tribes " There exists similiar mytics among many nations.Boring is understandable but disgust against a myth belong to human comunity is not understandable.
"But imagine that those Hittite-Turks back at home are dreaming now of returning and taking inheritance of another homeland of theirs - Turan!" This approach neither a public goal nor goverment goal.Making busines relations with central asia is not turanism.Outer countries has more relations with them then turkey.Turkish people got lessons from its defenders and gave enough life for it. Presently There are deceived groups to work as tools of a bad propaganda .
"Before that the Turks believed in the miraculous flight of the porphet from Mecca to Jerusalem and his splitting the moon (aren't Turkish astronomers still looking for the evidence of it?). " This is a religious belief.I didnt know those astronemrs. Unfortunately i am not employed in turkish goverment.If i were ,my first duty would ask those astroners the result of their work.
"Waiting for more of your bedtime stories with impatience ...!"I kindly advice you to extend your historical aprroach beyond 4000 ,then make a thoery if u can ,so then we can compare the stories:) I realy want that.
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