Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Apr 28, 2009 at 21:47
Mr.Berk Akk (pbuh) writes:
"Even in same family members,critical verses in quran understood diferently by the members..some people understands that friendship with jews or christs is forbidden in all case ,but some understands in only war situation.I think depends on the country,personality"
Unfortunately you are just highlighting one of the several major flaws of Islam. It is totally open to interpretation - it becomes whatever you want it to be. How else do you get Western trained and even Western born muslim medical doctors driving explosive laden 4wd's into crowded airport terminals ?
That is why you get hate-mongering non-white racist imams hiding behind this 'religion' in places like the UK - amongst others. They froth at the mouth in their speeches trying to exhort gullible followers to make Britain a Muslim country. Sure, these guys are extreme but there are many of them - and many, many people who will believe them.
."many muslim man married with christ woman."
whose children are automatically Muslim - right?"
2-Islamic world is not a solid block.They are also not good friends in eachother.In history great wars happend between them.Today ,See news.There are many colors in it.Great differences exists in way of understanding".
This is true - but there are several common themes which are found in all Islamic countries (whether you admit it or not.) One obvious one is the unwarranted hatred or dislike of Jews and Judaism. This is found in muslim communities from Britain to the Phillipines. Notice they don't hate Eskimos or Kalahari bushmen. and most of these expert haters wouldn't know a Jew if they fell over one - and have probably never seen or met a Jew in real life , let alone be harmed by one.
"I personaly think that revision of quran is imposible "
Why do you think it would be impossible? Why do you have such an attitude. NOt putting tickets on my writing ability but I think Dhimmi and Ianus and myself could come up with a revised version that would keep most moderate muslim readers happy.
"....but way of understanding should be revised."
well - as long as it leads to a change in attitude - it doesn't really matter how you arrive at that goal. Change the book ,change the way you interpret it - it's the same thing in the end
"Revisions is especially required in way of understanding in terms of how to be happy in world,how to improve friendship ,love,,social life,personal skills ,scientific facts ,etc."
look - in the end it's just a book. Where is this happiness you are after? It's not in a book - it's already inside you. Find it there.
"3-Unfortunatelly i am not agree in your anxiety of islamisation of west.This is both technically ,socially imposible. "
I agree -because people just aren't that interested in it. But that does not stop the nut cases in the ranks of muslims already living in the west from trying to achieve their delusory goals. It is this which is , has been and will continue to be dangerous.
"....There are only invited muslim workers over there and may be a small numbers of westerns moved to islam.Remember EU is more than 400 million.How can several millions workers in a huge cuntinent dominate whole western world?"
That's right - but as I said - there are those who will try to make sure it dominates - they have that set as their live's purpose. You may not be a fanatic - but to a fanatic you are not a true muslim. To them you are just one who sits on the fence and are lukewarm - leaving it up to the true believers to carry on the work of Allah - with a little funding from Wahabis from Saudi maybe. And fanaticism has many forms - not all fanatics are raving lunatics - some are deadly cunning psychopaths , perfectly aware of what they are doing but able to justify it because it achives a (their ) greater goal.
4-Spreading of a religion world wide can not only be related to islam .Please remember even korea,japan ,russia ,unknown tribes in africa had been christianised through the history.Dar al-christ?
Christianity - or Judaism - is not at the same time a political system nor does it have a set of civil laws behind it like sharia. As you would know all nominally Christian countries have secular governments and in many cases are multi-cultural , multi-racial and tolerate all religions. There is no dar-al-Christ. Christianity has spread for many reasons but especially because in essence it is supremely ethical. Buddhism has spread for similar reasons. The teachings and message are clear and concise and do not split the world up into opposing groups.
"4-Turkish movement from Asia to western border in history ,in my oppinion,can not be related to dar-al islam.This movement has many antropological reasons.Large scale human migration acrros the history happend not only Turkish origins but even Europians .Unfortunately migrations brought war anywhere happened."
We are not talking about prehistoric tribes moving arond the globe - we are tlaking about the spread of Isklam into Turkey since the 7th century AD. The fact that Turkey is still 98%+ muslim demonstrates the insidious hold this belief system has on its adherents. You are not really free in 'secular', 'modern' Turkey to choose to follow another religion are you? On paper , maybe, but in real life - if you said to all your friends tomorrow - and colleagues at work etc - that you are dumping Islam immediately and choosing to follow the teachings of the Buddha to achieve real inner peace and enlightenment - what would REALLY happen to you? I think there would be a reaction. In a spirit of seeking the truth - maybe you should try it - to see how tolerant the people you think you know, are.
"5-Raising difuculties to prevent a posibble peace between Ermenia and Turkey can not be "game created by muslims" .This has no logical reason.But there are many other actors in the region.We can discuss those in detail."
I was not referring to Turkey or the Armenian genocide. I was referring to muslim complicity and in many cases tacit approval of the huge number of terrorist attacks around the world which have taken place - and which will continue to take place - because us infidels just can't see the glorious truth.
"6-Attidude of an islamic country does not necesarily represent islam itself.As hitlers germany doesnot represents Christ;turkey,iran or arabia doesnot represent islam."
Staln trained to be an Orthodox priest at one time - so this just underscores the fact that having at some stage in his/her life a religious background - does not necesarily mean an individual will behave ethically.
But the tenets of Islam insist it be spread worldwide - that dar al Islam must become a reality. There are common themes and a common understanding amongst all Islamic countries. An example of this would be an unspoken agreement muslims are better than kaffirs - becaus ethe little green book says so.
"7-We assume Any kind of terrorist attack against people is strictly non human behaviour."
yes - we can assume this - but we can't assume sociopathic fanatics believe this to be self-evident. To them it's whatever it takes to achive their myopic ends. The question must be asked - why are not Buddhists or Hindus or Christians behind these sorts of attacks? Why is it 99% a muslim activity? I'd say that is clear grounds for a major revision of your belief system..
Dhimmi, Ianus, got your wordprocessors ready?
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