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The doctored history of the Turks or 'Epistulae virorum obscurorum'

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 18, 2009 at 16:24

Dear Glafira,

Thank you very much for your long and interesting comment. I understand that Suleymanov's book has impressed you deeply. But let me tell you why I think you should not be so easily impressed and should rather critically re-consider your too hasty agreement with him.

>>I have briefly done it. Prehistory knows no Turks. They emerge for the first time around B.C.300 as Hiung-Nu in Chinese documents. They stand on a very low level of civilizations. Due to internecine war , population pressures part of them migrates westwards and around A.D. 375 emerges as the Huns on the Volga. Around the Altai mountains the other primitive Turks undergo heavy influences from higher Iranian cultures from where they borrow most civilizatory vocabulary and their first Iranian alphabet which they use to write their oldes written monuments - the Orkhon and Yenissei inscriptions... Lev Gumilev is one of the most outstanding Turkologists. I'd suggest for every Turk to read him first before turning to the powerful ignoramus and obscurantist Kemal Pasha and inspecting his pseudo-historical forgeries and lullabies."<<

>This argument is really out-of-date, whether one likes it or not. The studies show that the Turk civilization is maybe (with high possibility) as old as Sumeric and Egyptian ones.<

What do you mean by 'civilization' if I may ask you ? A pair of fishermen's and hunters' huts and tents seem to be far removed from what we associate with the Nile valley or on the lower Tigris and Euphrates in the 3rd -2nd millenia A.D.

There is an interesting article on the oldest pre-Turkic 'civilization' as reconstructed on the basis of the Altaic languages by A.V. Dybo from the Languistics Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. He finds out that i.al. :

"6. The pre-Altaic economy was predominantly based upon season pasturing or season hunting and herding. There are terms related to the horse and horse-riding . Agriculture was of lesser importance. The main tool was sort of a wooden hoe (possibly used also to unearth edible wild roots.

11. Nomadic character is more clearly stressed in the lexicography of pre-Altaic. There is no way to infer the 'wheel' given the pre-Altaic thesaurus which is quite different from pre-Indo-European.

12. There are no words for clan settlements and inner structuring in them. ...There are no terms for the palace or house of the ruler or temple.

15. ..there is no special term for a sword , just for sorts of knives

16. The religious notions contain names for shamans , ghosts and shamanic rites ...which makes it so different from Indo-European with its richly ramified pre-Indo-European mythology."

And you repeat Suleymanov's to make us believe that this primitive people who knew no wheel, had a very primitive social structure, poor and innumerous religious concepts gave birth to Sumer and Egypt with their superb achievements in all fields of intellect and technology and administration ?

> Bona fide linguists and turkologists admit now that one can weightily talk about Pre-Turks in Pre-History. By the way, such is the name of one of the exceptional linguistic studies by Mr. Suleymenov, Olzhas.<

How about the Turkologist whom I quoted above? Would you call him 'mala fide' as his linguistic conclusions seem to collide with Suleymanov's ?

>The relationship between Sumeric language and Turkish one is obvious enough.<

For whom ? For Ataturk and his followers? It's well-known all Turks do it for political reasons. They all depend on state financing and so do their contract.

I have never seen any serious Assyriologist uphold this thesis. Is Suleymanov an Assyriologist by the way ?

Can't you see the impossibility of the relationship given the above facts ? How can the pre-Turks produce Sumerian if they were on such a low level of civilization ? Who created Sumerian myths if pre-Turks had none ? Who gave them wheel ? The pre-Turks had none. Who cretaed the Sumerian city-state and later kingship unknown to pre-Turks? ... etc. , etc. , etc.

> Anyway, I would not refer and trust to Chinese sources due to the well known fact that each their dynasty or ruling house falsified the history to the benefit of the current ruler.It's the common tendency in written history, of which the historians are aware.<

Now, may I draw your attention to the sad fact that what you say does apply fully to history written by Turks which is all official history with all the unwelcome and vicious implications of the fact ?

Now I understand that Chinese dystastic historians could have had much interest to pervert internal Chinese history to glorify the winners and vilify the losers in civil wars, explain away misgovernment, corruption blaming the predecessors. This is routinely done everywhere and the target group is inernal. In that case the Chinese educated circles, officials, poets, Confucian schoalrs, public opinion, the military. Now tell me what interest could they have to falsify things about Turks? Who should be duped ? The poor illiterate nomad and his Chinese slaves ? The great Turkic hordesmen who practised human sacrifices, were dirty and primitive and always lurking to rob some Chinese goods ?

You come up with your statement that in fact the Chinese were so cunning and vicious that they wanted to deceive their readers after two thousand years and more ? ...

' The Chinese falsified Turkic history. Where they saw great progressive learned monarchs and their academias they represented ugly predators and robbers.' Isn't it what you are driving at by implying the Chinese "falsified" ancient Turkic history while today's biased and state-sponsored Turks rectify it ? Aren't you asking for too much, dear Glafira ?

Take a sober glance at the known and not imaginary Turkic history. All peoples that came in touch with early Turks – Hiung-Nu, Patzinaks or Kumans or Seldjuks - describe the same primitive backward and predatory horde with savage customs. Even up to Kemal's 'reform' the literary Osmanli language had nothing good to tell about "Turks". To uphold your irrational view of the Turkish "civilization" you have to reject and vilify all the innumerable and consistent accounts and documents about what the Turk really represented and what level of civilization they were on and invent obscure and unsubstantiated 'theories' and 'theses'.

So who falsifies what?

> Nevertheless, everything goes on and things develop, as we know.

Develop or regress ...Let's not confuse garbling with history or re-writing history with developing it. Turks are master falsifiers. They exterminated 1,5 mln Armenians, 1 mln Greeks and many other nations and it's unthinkable for a Turk to admit the well-known facts of history. Even on this forum you'll find Turks who rational as they may at first glance turn into irrational lie machines the moment the question of Turkishness and Turkish past is raised in a critical light. I warn you against accepting what the Turks tell you, dear friend.

> If Mr.Suleymenov's books are widely translated into English, everyone could follow his fascinating investigations and agree with most conclusions, including one that derives the Hebrew language from pre-Turkish one…

Agree? Are you sure of what you're writing about ? Isn't Suleymanov's 'conclusion' a direct emanation of the mad Turkish Sun Language Theory or the theory that Jews are in fact Khasars?

A few line above you stated 'Sumerian is Turkic". Now you state "Hebrew is Turkish"...Go on! Ataturk said 'Hittite was Turkic', didn't he? So hire a Turkish professor and he'll 'prove' 'Hittite is indeed Turkic'... And Russian ? Isn't it Turkic too? Well...Let's take Turkish 'yemek" ...In Russian it is "yest'...So can't we conclude Russian is also Turkic ?

> Neither Mr.Suleymenov, no (moreover) me intends to offend Jewish people (I'm partially Jewish myself) – he just tries to objectively analyze the things.

"Objectively"? Are you sure about that? Isn't he trying to substantiate the pre-conceived Pan-Turkic nonsense invented by Mr. Gazi Mustafa Kemal Ataturk ?

>I trust his argumentation because he is almost the only one linguist in the world who knows equally in depth both Slavic and Turk etymology.<

Dear Glafira, you don't trust Chinese historians and scholars who had no need to falsify anything about the barbarains that made life for Chinese border provinces so difficult and yet you trust a Turk who has no interest whatsoever to face and admit all the negative scientific doucmentation on Turks.How can a person with your intellect be so easily hoodwinked? Look at the website I have referred to or google for more sites on your own. I think Russians have the best specialists in the field of Altaic studies and Turcology. You'll find fine material in Russian on the subject without the ideological political bias and erratic ideas Suleymanov fas fallen victim to or is intentionally promoting. Compare things and then make your conclusions.

>I would recommend in this regard the brief introductory materials from the International conference "First Great Migrations", which was held in Paris last year. (http://www.firstgreatmigrations.org/index.php). The profound studies are made by researches from Pennsylvania and Massachusetts Universities, US. I would also recommend another Mr. Suleymenov's fundamental work "Language of writing" (I'm not sure whether it's available in English and Turkish. There, you would found out that the name of the ancient Egyptian god Osiris derives from the pre-Turk "eus" (soft "o"), though just like the modern Turkish "os", which means "grow" in ALL Turk languages (with this or that phonetic options). And, following the language logics, "Osiris" means "one which grows" or very close to that.<

Thanks for your recommendations and ample use of laudatory phrases including the name of the excellent universities.Yet, you could hardly find a greater contrast between your recommendations and the ridiculous examples given. I couldn't help laughing seeing this ointed nonsense by Suleymanov's being sold as scientific knowledge. Your greatest expert on Slavonic and Turkish seems to stand in a desperate need of the most basic Epytological education.

"Orisis" is a Greek adaptation of the Egyptian word which in Copyic (another Turkic dialect?) is Asar(i) (seat-maker)

It seems though to come from Old Egyptian 'w'sr' (we don't know the vowels ) with the emaning 'mighty'. Asari , Greek Osiris, is 'the Mighty One'. Can you find the slightest hint at it in Suleymanov's magnum opus ?)

> In modern Kazakh, for example, they still say "osir" when want to use the imperative form of Indefinite "os": "Osir" a tree and it will give you a shade when you suffer from the sun….<

Evidently the Kasakhs existed before the Greeks if they gave this word to the Greeks in Naucratis who heard it directly from the Egyptians.

>And the pre-Turkish "Pir" gave the rich roots (directly or indirectly) in a lot of languages:

Isn't it found also in today's Turkish 'pire' 'flea' ?

>As everybody knows now, the Olympus Mountain from ancient Greek mythology is located in modern Turkey, not far from Kemer resort, and not in Greece.

As everybody should know Olympus in Mysia is one of at least 19 mountains bearing that name in antquity including Mysian, Paphlagonian, Lycian and Cyprus Olympus. The gods were living on Olympus in Northern Greece though.

The Osman jihadists occupied Mysian Olymus at the beginning of the 14th c. A.D.

> One of Mr.Suleymenov's versions is that the tradition of Olympic Games originates in those times when the pre-Turks or other ethnos who perceived their culture, used to elect in such way their Head (of kin, kingship, etc.).

"Versions" ? I'd call it "fairy tales"... See above on the lack of terms for kingship and king's palace in pre-Altaic.

Olympic games which I am afraid you may be confused about originated in Western Peloponnesus in the city of Olympia in ancient Elis in B.C. 776. They were purely Hellenic events where no barbarians were admitted.

>According to Mr.Suleymenov, Olymp is from "Olym" and "Pir/Pyr", which meant "Dead Lord"…

Looks like his "Osiris" etymology! No proof and much wishful thinking! This reminds of his great master's Ataturk's "etymology" of 'Niagara' from 'Ne yayagara!" (What tumult) and 'Amazon' from "Ama uzun" (But it's long!;)

> When the Head left this world, his tribe or people arranged the competition to reveal the strongest, fastest, smartest, etc. guy…who then was elected as a Pir. Again, in Kazakh, they still say "ol" for "die". He "oldy" - he died, he's gone.

There were no Kazakhs or Turks in Asia Minor before A.D. c.1050. And the arguments here are infantile . This way you can prove that Turks gave the word 'old' to the English language as 'old' and 'dead' are so closely asociated.

It's well known that historical Turks e.g. Kumans used to sacrifice humans at the death of their leaders.

"Pir" also gave "bir" (one, first – in Turksigh languages), "pervy" (the same meaning in all Slavic languages) and ….

Another drivel ! The Russian word "первый" has a well-established Indo-European etymology.

Compare also Max Fassmer's , 'Etymological dictionary of the Russian language' to see the impossibility of the proposed etymology.

>"Pharaoh" as "The First, the Highest" (between others).

He makes a fool of us again. The etymology is quite different and well-established.

"The term pharaoh ultimately was derived from a compound word represented as pr-'3, used only in larger phrases such as smr pr-'3 'Courtier of the High House', with specific reference to the buildings of the court or palace itself.[3] From the twelfth dynasty onward the word appears in a wish formula 'Great House, may it live, prosper, and be in health', but again only with reference to the royal palace and not the person.

The earliest instance where pr-'3 is used specifically to address the ruler is in a letter to Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten) in the mid-eighteenth dynasty (1550-1292 BC) which is addressed to 'Pharaoh, all life, prosperity, and health!"

>Some Iranian dialects still have this word with the same meaning – Master, Lord. One also can meat this word in Persian fairy tales.<

And as far as I know 'pir' in the meaning implied is a loanword in Turkish (until Kemal's language re-making more than 80% of words in Turkish were non-Turkish at all) from Persian where 'pir' means 'elder','master', 'prior'. While it disappeared in cleansed Turkish it survived in dialects. This word like a plethora of others was borrowed by Turkic speakers from Persian or Chinese (Trkic words for 'silver' (gumush) , gold (aldin) and iron(demir) are of Chinese origin). They borrowed also the Sogdian alphabet, names of domestic animals and plenty of other civilizatory terms and contrary to what the Turks are commanded by the anti-scientific Turkish propaganda machine to 'demonstrate' nowadays.

> The famous Norwegian traveler and researcher Tur Heyerdahl was droved also by this breathtaking possibility of pre-Turks drift from Asia to Americas.

It must be another invention of Suleymanov's. I have never heard Heyerdahl say that rubbish of pre-Turks. And while the American legends speak of "white gods" , the ancient Turks belonged to the Mongoloid race.

>Nobody explains distinctly the origin of country name "Peru".

"The word Peru is derived from Birú, the name of a local ruler who lived near the Bay of San Miguel, Panama , in the early 16th century. When his possessions were visited by Spanish explorers in 1522, they were the southernmost part of the New World yet known to Europeans. Thus, when Francisco Pizarro explored the regions farther south, they came to be designated Birú or Peru. The Spanish Crown gave the name legal status with the 1529 Capitulación de Toledo, which designated the newly encountered Inca Empire as the province of Peru. Under Spanish rule, the country adopted the denomination Viceroyalty of Peru, which became Republic of Peru after independence."

>One can find the well-reasoned explanation of this "pir-pira-pra-per-peru, etc." etymology nest in Mr.Suleymenov's studies.

;) You call it "well-reasoned"? I call it infantile and sucking. How would you call the non-Suleymanovian etymology current in the New and Old non-Turkic World? "Anti-Turkish" ?

> Actually, Mr.Suleymenov suggested the revolutionary approach to the linguistic analysis – "etymologic nests which are deriving from pictograms and then hieroglyphs", opposite to still popular within the "old-school" narrow specialists "phonetic similarity" approach.

Another of his inventions and these insidious ideological concepts 'old school' vs. 'new approach' serve no other purpose than that of promoting his unverifiable fantasies. Turkish propaganda knows how to mislead people. His 'revolunationary' approach is nothing but linguistic Bolshevism or Turkish jihad against well-established and corroborated facts and scientifically verifiable insights. It's rather primitive and unverifiable. I know that for a Turk it is as hard to resist Turkish brain-washing as for a Moslem Islamic brain-washing. Yet what Suleymanov's does is pure pseudo-science and ( perhaps well-intentioned) falsehood in the service of Turkish racist and jingoistic worldview. If you agree with him you are forced to adopt the Turkish slogan " Turks are creators and inheritors of all civilization."

> Mr. Gumilev knew about the close relationship between Turk languages and American Indians languages, including those of Maya, Aztec, Sioux-Dacota. He mentioned in one of his work that the Turkish word/title "Quaghan" (which then transformed into "khan") is directly linked to Sioux-Dacota "Waqan".

I can't believe he made this direct etymology. Where did he say that ? Anyway, the word reminds of the Chinese 'wang' 'king'.

> As to Mr.Suleymenov's story, he knew Mr. Gumilev very closely and the last one considered him as a son for maybe 2 reason's: first, Mr.Suleymenov's father (repressed Kazakh poet) was the cellmate of Mr.Gumilev (who was also repressed as a son of "people enemy"), in prison camp in Kazakhstan. Second reason, maybe more weighty: both were the like-minded persons. Mr. Suleymenov was almost the last person whom Mr.Gumilev received before his demise. And the Great Turkologist Mr.Gumilev believed (and publicly stated this) Mr.Suleymenov the outstanding Turko-Slavic linguist.<

And what does it prove? As you can see from the above the references by Gumilev didn't prevent Suleymanov from saying sheer nonsense, being anti-scientific and engage in linguistic Bolshevism for Pan-Turkic glory. So let's leave this father-son relation to our dear Moslems and their stupid tafsirs and concentrate on common sense so that we may avoid speaking of things we are ignorant of, telling fairy tales we call 'development of science' and making fools of readers , my dear Glafira.

> I would also refer to the revolutionary works in genetics (which is more close to my educational background and current occupation), particularly in DNA genealogy and Y-chromosome haplotype analysis by American, Israel, German, Hungarian researchers – one can find them if really interested in this information. From these studies, one can learn that:

- modern Tuscans and Umbrans who partially originates from ancient Etruscan, bear the R1a haplotype group which is known as Altaic.

Or really ? Do you know what happened when the Turks arrived in Asia Minor in 1050? They raped any woman they could get hold of and so with time their Mongoloid faces were replaced by European ones. True, they souls remained as barbarian as before. But wait ... your genetic approach doesn't care much about such historically well-documented trifles ? You can see what is today and not how things came to be as they are. Am I correct ?

- Modern Ashkenazim Jewish also bear the same Altaic haplotype group and the appearance of this group in Jewish genotype is dated as early as III AD – they obviously must have had time to move from Altay to Western Asia and it means they already were a civilized ethnos by that time (latest studies say even about 7 BD, Kir's epoch, when the mixture of genetic material could take place during Median invasion into empire and further exodus of Jewish people to Judea and constructing the first City of Jerusalem – but of course, this should be investigated impartially and using the latest technology and conceptual achievements)

Well, looking at those long centuries and millenia , reading about the incredible vicissitudes of the Near East, that abyss of nations - Hittite, Assyrian, Scythian, Cymmerian, Thracian, Hunnic, Persian, Gallic ... invasions which were all invariably accompanied by mass rapes, abductions, massacres , new settlements and comparing all of it to your clever genetic blueprints and hasty conclusions, I wonder what sort of tool this genetic in fact is ? If you bear in mind what and how things happened , you can't be but very sceptical about DNA results.

-Modern Slavic people bear the Altaic haplotype group starting from about XV BD…

The long Mongolian/Tatar yoke's legacy ? Remember that last time the Tatars burned down Moscow and abducted masses of Russian slaves was in 1572.

>One should also take in account the following: the linguists already know that the Etruscan script can be deciphered with help of pre-Slavic and pre-Turk runic scripts.

Where did you read that, by Ianus the Etruscan god of gates? This is like a quote from the Quran to prove Aztecs spoke an Arabic dialect.

>Just to remind - the Etruscan scripts are dated back to VII BD…

And the Sogdian (or 'pre-Turk') which contain the first Turkic language to c. AD 700 ...all in all 1400 years and thusands of miles of difference ...How are you going to circumvent that small inconvenience of time and space ? With Suleymanov's fairy tales of pre-Turks founding every civilization and his fraudulent methodology heavily relying on his readers' ignorance ?

>Going back to Chinese source, I would, again, refer to Mr.Suleymenov's study and investigation of how pictograms developed into hieroglyphs and then alphabet.

The Chinese didn't develop alphabet. And the Turks had nothing to do with them. They got their alphabet from Sogdiana , an Iranian province.

>Chinese hieroglyphs took a lot from pre-Turk runic scripts – I'm not a professional linguist but accept the logics of argumentation here.

There are no pre-Turkic scripts. These are Eastern Iranian scripts that the Turks adopted very late. Another borrowing from a higher civilization which the Turks now impudently claim as their own.

>By the way, this was mentioned also by Dane Dr.Thompson who was the first to link the Orkhon-Yenisei petroglyphs to Turk runes.<

Sure.

>Talking about Iranians let me remind that they are the close relatives to the Slavic ethnoses – they are branches of one great Aryan tree…one can make further conclusions.<

These conclusions have long been made. Turks are late comers to the world history. Pre-history is silent on them. What linguistics and archaeology show are primitive and backward barbarians. They are destructive parasitic nomads. They didn't contribute anything to civilization. Even now the feverish efforts of Turkish propagandists to invent Turkic super-race and super-civilization are futile and anti-scientific as the above examples have demonstrated. They all show the old barbarian plundering history to occupy a place that doesn't belong to him.

To conclude, my (and not only mine, let me notice) impression is that the Turk (not just Turkish) history undergoes a crucial revision towards more ancient age and much greater influence on the human civilization in general, than it was considered earlier.<

Yes, your conclusion is right if you mean 'revisionism' in the most notorious politicised form. Now that Kemalist Turkey has embarked upon its imperial Pan-Turkic road the Turks need a historical myth to back their new imperial ambitions to create a Pan-Turkic empire at Russia's cost across Central Asia up to the Tien Shan and Altai mountains and the Upper Volga.

>As to the current battles around modern Turkish ambitions – it's just the sign of the growing Turks self-identification (this process can be observed in all Turkish-speaking countries and communities throughout the world) from one side, and the resistance to this process from that part of the world community which believes this process to be threatening to certain ethnic or/and political groups interests.<

What Enver Pasha failed to achieve making fool of the Bolsheviks to create a Pan-Turkic emirate in Turkiestan today's warlords in Ankara are trying to re-assume. They spread myths, lies and promises to attract Turkic-speaking peoples to Turkey. A bastard nation that consists of Islamized and Turkified Greeks, Slavs, Laz, and Armenians – dreams of her superior racial purity and a call from Allah to form a new Khaganate.

>What's going on is the new turn of the mankind evolution.

Now, dear Glafira , it's nothing new. It's the old reshaped story of Turkey's megalomania, imperial dreams and nostalgy, overpopulation pressures (soon Turkey will have 100 000000 inhabitants and her resources are scarce) and bloody militarism that are all driving her into a new and dangerous scramble for Turan just like in 1914.

>And it is particularly Mr.Gumilev's merit that he analyzed and substantiated the inevitability of the historic processes and the great significance of the human factor (human dignity) in them.

He developed this passionary theory which explained the upsurges of the Turkic tribes' successful politics.

>The collapse of the Khazarian khaganate was predicted due to the immoral basis of that society.

I am not sure what you are talking about. The Khazars were Turks professing Judaism. They succumbed not so much to moral shortcomings as to Sviatoslav's Russo-varangian warriors around 965.

>In some sense, the current economy crisis is the collapse of another Khazarian khaganate.

Have you notice any Rus 'druzhyna' (military company) defeating the world financial system as it defeated the Khasar Khaganate?

With best regards ,

Ianus


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Turkey had to be paid off to accept danish secretary general of NATO [88 words]o.wilhelmssonApr 27, 2009 05:00154516
1Turkey, a trojan horse into the NATO camp as destabilizer of the western allience. [119 words]o.wilhelmssonApr 27, 2009 04:51154515
2Europe's Slide to Islamization [205 words]TruthWFreeApr 28, 2009 11:29154515
1Halki or legal murder of the Ecumenical Patriachate by the Turkish state [776 words]IanusApr 28, 2009 18:21154515
Your In Depth Analysis [328 words]TruthWFreeApr 30, 2009 01:26154515
3"What they have done to the Armenians, they will do to us one day too". [1860 words]IanusMay 2, 2009 17:50154515
1Facts: 37 islamist terrorists have been arrested in Turkey yesterday! [11 words]Isaac HaskiyaApr 22, 2009 03:47154252
1Imam Erdogan still at large [100 words]IanusApr 22, 2009 17:54154252
do you really believe these rubbish? [147 words]yigitJun 23, 2009 10:33154252
16Ne mutlu 'türk değilim' diyene! (Happy is he who will say "I am not a Turk" ! ) [818 words]IanusJun 24, 2009 05:09154252
1lol [89 words]YIGITJun 26, 2009 12:33154252
4Islamo-Kemalism [685 words]IanusJun 27, 2009 06:41154252
1Ataturk and Homosexuality [116 words]Edward DemianFeb 4, 2011 11:50154252
1Answer the Ataturk and homosexuality [112 words]Liz K.Oct 27, 2011 17:21154252
1It is turkish [75 words]AhmetApr 13, 2013 09:35154252
1It's Turkish too. [5 words]IanusApr 16, 2013 14:12154252
The article being about Turkish membership in Nato.......... [226 words]Isaac HaskiyaApr 21, 2009 11:54154228
4Turkey as protector of NATO [1172 words]IanusApr 24, 2009 08:55154228
1Turkey should be Ousted from Nato [143 words]MatthewApr 16, 2009 15:05153973
Turket still belong in NATO [245 words]sufi Imdad ALI soomroApr 17, 2009 06:12153973
playing by the rules [596 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 18, 2009 02:16153973
1Taliban are animals [30 words]AnoApr 19, 2009 02:37153973
Disband NATO and start and effective Alliance Agaist Islam... [354 words]Chet LimbrightApr 19, 2009 06:08153973
this is realy super vision... [40 words]Kocmar from TurkeyOct 28, 2009 04:16153973
don't insult animals [68 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh 'BharatPanthi'May 4, 2010 05:58153973
4Turkish "secularists" at work in Northern Cyprus - the Devil's mockery [750 words]IanusApr 15, 2009 16:03153923
Pope's Visit to Jordan [134 words]TruthWFreeMay 8, 2009 13:54153923
Eurabia - Catholic style [1093 words]IanusMay 9, 2009 18:14153923
Catholic Style [812 words]TruthWFreeMay 10, 2009 19:07153923
The Islamic captivity of the Church [2036 words]IanusMay 13, 2009 17:56153923
Hellenistic ideals? [63 words]UgriMay 14, 2009 02:46153923
Public personalities [107 words]pdmMay 14, 2009 10:05153923
Jesus Christ killing Olympian gods [529 words]IanusMay 14, 2009 18:44153923
1Contemplating Christianity [116 words]UgriMay 16, 2009 11:26153923
1Pila = 'a practical joke' [276 words]IanusMay 17, 2009 06:57153923
Terve taas Ianus [106 words]UgriMay 18, 2009 08:26153923
A Good Idea of Christianity [587 words]M. ToveyMay 21, 2009 13:26153923
4STOP ANTI-TURKISM [85 words]Sengun TaygunApr 14, 2009 17:35153891
5"STOP ANTITURKISM" REPEAT SWEET TURKISH LIES INSTEAD ! [494 words]IanusApr 15, 2009 16:47153891
fanatism [145 words]yaseminApr 15, 2009 21:26153891
you don't HAVE to join them [275 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 16, 2009 19:47153891
1The quesiton is not whether or not Turks are evil [81 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiApr 16, 2009 21:11153891
Our dear yasemin so what is the name of that priest that told you that all was Ok for non Muslims in Torkeya? Let me guess you made this one up [517 words]dhimmi no moreApr 17, 2009 07:42153891
1"It is so simple" - a Turkish narcissist reveals [274 words]IanusApr 17, 2009 09:51153891
Who is this İanus? ?? [72 words]ActuallyApr 17, 2009 10:19153891
1sengub tayun [116 words]btillyApr 17, 2009 16:05153891
1Actually (Turkey) Knows everything [54 words]InfidelApr 17, 2009 21:01153891
dark lands [154 words]berk akkApr 18, 2009 02:52153891
"Actually", know your hard facts, please [22 words]UgriApr 18, 2009 02:57153891
So what did we learn from our dear "actually"? Nothing actually [273 words]dhimmi no moreApr 18, 2009 07:42153891
1Ignorance is bliss and who can be against bliss? [294 words]IanusApr 18, 2009 07:51153891
past and present [996 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 19, 2009 00:03153891
1islamophobic [61 words]AnonApr 19, 2009 03:27153891
"Armenian genocide"? None of your business! Stop denying the Aborigines' genocide instead! [1346 words]IanusApr 19, 2009 09:39153891
agree change needed [285 words]the Grand Infide of KaffiristanApr 20, 2009 04:03153891
CONGRATULATIONS [234 words]berk akkApr 20, 2009 04:09153891
2compromised European values [1394 words]the grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 21, 2009 06:44153891
Our dear Berk and much more drivel [120 words]dhimmi no moreApr 21, 2009 07:57153891
2Imam Erdogan [896 words]IanusApr 21, 2009 17:24153891
1agreements [245 words]berk akkApr 22, 2009 14:50153891
There is no Armenian geoncide. [227 words]yaseminApr 22, 2009 19:44153891
Take it easy [129 words]yaseminApr 22, 2009 20:35153891
1the future ? ..... more of the same [1078 words]the Grand Infide of KaffiristanApr 22, 2009 20:44153891
1Rational and irrational agreements [1332 words]IanusApr 23, 2009 15:15153891
My religion is 5 times cooler than yours! [120 words]???Apr 24, 2009 03:54153891
1The Armenian Genocide and those that deny it [86 words]dhimmi no moreApr 24, 2009 18:42153891
one difference [50 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 25, 2009 01:09153891
1The epidemic of 'offenditis' [761 words]IanusApr 25, 2009 07:39153891
2The Armenian Genocide and those that deny it. The long version [867 words]dhimmi no moreApr 25, 2009 10:15153891
2Had Hitler won, we would hear a Nazi version of yasemin assuring us : "There is no Jewish geoncide". [2930 words]IanusApr 25, 2009 17:33153891
Turkey is watching you ... with US help! [547 words]IanusApr 26, 2009 17:45153891
CONTRADICTIONS [130 words]BERK AKKApr 27, 2009 09:20153891
1POLONEZKOY [215 words]BERK AKKApr 27, 2009 10:19153891
Enlightment- To Ianus, the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan, and dhimmi no more [472 words]TruthWFreeApr 27, 2009 12:50153891
2Naming the unnamed [62 words]IanusApr 27, 2009 16:10153891
Ghazi [254 words]IanusApr 27, 2009 17:18153891
1The scholar that shall remain unnamed will be named [445 words]dhimmi no moreApr 27, 2009 18:02153891
Allah for Hitler - Moslem SS Units = c. 415 000 - 440 000 Moslem SS-men [477 words]IanusApr 27, 2009 18:15153891
1B. Lewis and cohorts [83 words]Young MCApr 27, 2009 18:18153891
Saudis - 100% Moslem , Turks - 99,8% Moslem [94 words]IanusApr 27, 2009 18:30153891
2Thanks [146 words]IanusApr 28, 2009 16:42153891
ghazi mustafa kemal [116 words]berk akkApr 29, 2009 01:54153891
MEANING OF PROOF [345 words]BERK AKKApr 29, 2009 05:03153891
1Turkish ethnographic zoos [1209 words]IanusApr 29, 2009 16:42153891
You need an [55 words]Sengun TaygunApr 29, 2009 16:43153891
Jihadist Mustafa Kemal Pasha and his Turkish hagiographer Berk Akk [500 words]IanusApr 29, 2009 17:49153891
You too ... [425 words]IanusApr 29, 2009 19:23153891
1Turk "needs an ..." [152 words]Young MCApr 29, 2009 20:25153891
1red herrings back in business [983 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 29, 2009 20:35153891
1The "Ottoman slap" and our dear Sengun [246 words]dhimmi no moreApr 30, 2009 06:45153891
"Easy falsifying of anti-turkic words" made difficult [1313 words]IanusApr 30, 2009 08:21153891
EDUCATION [151 words]BERK AKKApr 30, 2009 09:08153891
SAKHARYA RİVER [203 words]berk akkApr 30, 2009 10:05153891
REFUTATION [237 words]berk akkApr 30, 2009 11:06153891
2Ataturkistan [1231 words]IanusMay 1, 2009 10:42153891
initial discussion [242 words]berk akkMay 1, 2009 13:51153891
4Turkish historical solipsism [1280 words]IanusMay 1, 2009 16:14153891
2More Turkish solipsism [293 words]IanusMay 1, 2009 16:41153891
PRIVATE PROPERTY [354 words]BERK akkMay 2, 2009 18:51153891
self observatıons [64 words]BERK akkMay 2, 2009 19:37153891
expensive upkeep [240 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 2, 2009 23:12153891
10,000 076 % [526 words]IanusMay 3, 2009 04:55153891
2Turkish fata morgana [1365 words]IanusMay 3, 2009 06:45153891
Hey, dhimmi no more [92 words]sengunMay 3, 2009 17:40153891
1Greetings, Ianus! Glad to see you so prolifically kicking. [192 words]kmanMay 3, 2009 20:28153891
limon von sanders [263 words]berk akkMay 4, 2009 03:14153891
self observation [360 words]berk akkMay 4, 2009 05:05153891
"unimportant anti-Turkists" [56 words]SengunMay 4, 2009 14:38153891
1Turk Slaps Himself [85 words]Young MCMay 5, 2009 20:17153891
1Baby Ataturk [1401 words]IanusMay 6, 2009 08:17153891
1Important pro-Turkists and Kemalist slaps [245 words]IanusMay 6, 2009 08:55153891
Google - a weapon of anti-Turkism [1181 words]IanusMay 6, 2009 10:15153891
talking about critics [767 words]berk akkMay 7, 2009 04:39153891
giving name to someone [776 words]berk akkMay 7, 2009 08:01153891
Naming the unnamed and the Armenian Genocide and the legal case against Turkey [417 words]dhimmi no moreMay 7, 2009 08:06153891
1Turk's Mumble and Ignorance [184 words]Young MCMay 8, 2009 19:14153891
1Melt down time and our dear Sengun and the "ottoman slap" [302 words]dhimmi no moreMay 8, 2009 19:24153891
comunication limit 2 [111 words]berk akkMay 9, 2009 04:27153891
1Ottoman maps [241 words]IanusMay 9, 2009 18:43153891
1Our dear BERK and Arabic again a language that he cannot read speak or write [131 words]dhimmi no moreMay 9, 2009 18:52153891
my master [88 words]BERKA AKKMay 10, 2009 04:25153891
GREAT PEACE [102 words]berk akkMay 10, 2009 06:40153891
1Turks and "comunication limit 2" [164 words]Young MCMay 10, 2009 06:44153891
The Chinese way [497 words]IanusMay 10, 2009 16:14153891
1Ataturk's last fairy tale [114 words]IanusMay 10, 2009 16:55153891
2New defenders of Turkey against her old friends [1908 words]IanusMay 11, 2009 16:20153891
2The word Ghazi [365 words]dhimmi no moreMay 11, 2009 19:52153891
1Always good to hear from you "Ianus". [343 words]kmanMay 12, 2009 00:48153891
wrong impressions [1335 words]berk akkMay 12, 2009 04:12153891
best of limits [147 words]berk akkMay 12, 2009 05:26153891
Fiend as friend [117 words]IanusMay 12, 2009 08:33153891
5"GREAT PEACE" - a diabolical parody by Berk Akk [696 words]IanusMay 12, 2009 09:48153891
1"I will support them just like a rope will support a man who is going to be hanged" . [853 words]IanusMay 13, 2009 03:58153891
lessons are in school [683 words]berk akkMay 13, 2009 04:49153891
1Liars' sensibilities and chewing gum as an insult to Ataturk's memory [3127 words]IanusMay 13, 2009 08:20153891
1Cowardice and "best of limits" [343 words]Young MCMay 13, 2009 11:08153891
The coming global turmoil [933 words]IanusMay 13, 2009 14:58153891
Greetings Ianus. You have earned your plaudits on history. [878 words]kmanMay 14, 2009 01:09153891
ı give in [925 words]berk akkMay 14, 2009 04:23153891
1meaning of words [145 words]berk akkMay 14, 2009 04:45153891
1Conflicts which have no solution [2299 words]IanusMay 14, 2009 17:30153891
1TROLL and "meaning of words" [339 words]Young MCMay 14, 2009 19:39153891
waking the bear [105 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 14, 2009 21:54153891
thank you for your comments till now [155 words]berk akkMay 15, 2009 02:19153891
3"Thanks Allah I am a Moslem" ...and a Turk [401 words]IanusMay 15, 2009 07:42153891
Sura 9:29 [729 words]TruthWFreeMay 15, 2009 15:35153891
Turkey's Place in History [327 words]M. ToveyMay 19, 2009 19:41153891
your invitation [62 words]berk akkMay 23, 2009 16:12153891
My Point [46 words]TruthWFreeMay 26, 2009 22:49153891
who is responsible for violence [71 words]BERKA AKKMay 29, 2009 18:56153891
Violence [129 words]TruthWFreeJun 1, 2009 18:53153891
resonse [50 words]GoncaSep 8, 2009 09:51153891
1turks have been interacting with europeans ? [84 words]A real turkSep 22, 2009 23:00153891
1Who is the great inventor of racism/holocaust/extortion? [250 words]JustinOct 16, 2009 17:22153891
5Whoever is the great inventor of racism/holocaust/extortion the Turks are masters thereof [1203 words]IanusOct 19, 2009 07:14153891
Stuermer invention [212 words]Facts VeritasJul 26, 2012 15:32153891
1Your inventions for a change [524 words]IanusJul 26, 2012 19:26153891
1And speaking of Wey Ri Tahs aka Veritas and those that deny the Armenian genocide shame on them [100 words]dhimmi no moreJul 27, 2012 07:37153891
7The crime of the Armenian Genocide and those that deny it [155 words]dhimmi no moreJul 27, 2012 07:52153891
11Those who get bribed for denying the Armenian genocide and those who get bribed for not mentioning it at all [1506 words]IanusJul 30, 2012 14:50153891
5The crimes of the Turks against humanity [445 words]dhimmi no moreJul 31, 2012 07:19153891
4The Armenian Genocide in the extant Arabic language literary sources [76 words]dhimmi no moreJul 31, 2012 07:47153891
3The Armenian Genocide in the extant Arabic language literary sources part two [295 words]dhimmi no moreAug 1, 2012 18:23153891
2Not the Germans , the Turks are to blame [178 words]IanusAug 2, 2012 05:37153891
3The Armenian Genocide in the extant Arabic language literary sources part three [402 words]dhimmi no moreAug 3, 2012 06:07153891
5Did the Arab press also lament "200 000 women, girls and children ...forcibly converted to Islam" by al-itihadiyuun? [604 words]IanusAug 4, 2012 11:45153891
4The Armenian Genocide in the extant Arabic language literary sources part four [1047 words]dhimmi no moreAug 5, 2012 06:55153891
4PBS sells its soul to the Turkish devil [115 words]dhimmi no moreAug 5, 2012 07:11153891
2"First we kill the Armenians, then the Greeks, then the Kurds." [156 words]IanusAug 6, 2012 03:21153891
2The Armenian Genocide and those that deny it [157 words]dhimmi no moreAug 6, 2012 19:21153891
1Egypt like the US has never recognized the Armenian genocide. [153 words]IanusAug 7, 2012 02:27153891
3The Armenian Genocide in the extant Arabic language literary sources part five [351 words]dhimmi no moreAug 7, 2012 19:01153891
Cartoon characters- DNM and Ianus [296 words]MozereAug 8, 2012 07:29153891
4Meltdown Muslim/Turkish style [146 words]dhimmi no moreAug 8, 2012 18:36153891
2Turkish hypocrisy [71 words]dhimmi no moreAug 8, 2012 18:46153891
6The Armenian Genocide and those that deny it part two [1007 words]dhimmi no moreAug 9, 2012 06:13153891
3No new ones , Mozere ? [150 words]IanusAug 10, 2012 06:03153891
6What evidence is neeeded ? [201 words]IanusAug 10, 2012 06:19153891
1No more hatred between peoples [207 words]MozereAug 10, 2012 10:31153891
7Our dear Mozere is talking about: no hate! Really? [660 words]dhimmi no moreAug 10, 2012 17:54153891
Jew-hunting Turkish style - "the rabbi" against Turkey [632 words]IanusApr 14, 2009 07:22153850
you try hard to create us more enemies, but this one is fairy tail. [201 words]yaseminApr 19, 2009 23:30153850
4Turkish flags on a mosque in Gazastan [1333 words]IanusApr 21, 2009 05:23153850
1our dear yasemin al-munafiqa al-kabeera and chrarity starts at home darling [45 words]dhimmi no moreApr 21, 2009 08:02153850
RELIGIONS [83 words]BERK AKKApr 14, 2009 04:15153847
"We primates..." [197 words]IanusApr 15, 2009 17:04153847
berk akk [101 words]btilly'Apr 16, 2009 04:22153847
Our dear BERK who is no more than another victim of the Turks [45 words]dhimmi no moreApr 17, 2009 07:46153847
insulting other religions is primitive behaviour [51 words]berk AKKApr 17, 2009 09:21153847
EXTERMINATED RELIGIONS [106 words]berk akkApr 17, 2009 09:40153847
berk akk [39 words]btilly'Apr 17, 2009 21:39153847
3The difference between Islamization and Christianization [1098 words]IanusApr 18, 2009 05:40153847
2Truth as an insult , lying as a good behaviour. [600 words]IanusApr 18, 2009 07:26153847
3Our dear Berk and the Qur'an [240 words]dhimmi no moreApr 19, 2009 07:29153847
primitive book by your argument [37 words]SkepticApr 20, 2009 00:10153847
TURKISH PEOPLE ARE AGAINST RACISM [169 words]berk akkApr 20, 2009 02:42153847
who is wrong [72 words]BERK AKKApr 20, 2009 04:35153847
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE [226 words]BERK AKKApr 20, 2009 05:13153847
BRAVERY AND SAVAGERY [44 words]BERK AKKApr 20, 2009 05:23153847
2Turkish Mephistopheles' proposes : "Please you can try at least to compromise ;)" [241 words]IanusApr 21, 2009 05:54153847
18.55 ... Good ayat, wrong translation ! [1296 words]IanusApr 21, 2009 07:53153847
1"Civilized" Turks [357 words]IanusApr 21, 2009 15:41153847
peace at yurt peace at world [217 words]BERK AKKApr 22, 2009 03:40153847
1Our dear berk is against racism but the Armenian Genocide? well that is another matter [653 words]dhimmi no moreApr 22, 2009 07:44153847
2" Those who are not of pure Turkish stock can have only one right in this country , the right to be servants and slaves." [1066 words]IanusApr 22, 2009 07:50153847
3An old caricature - a Turk sitting on a heap of kafirs' skulls and preaching : "Peace at yurt, peace at world" [1310 words]IanusApr 23, 2009 06:53153847
we are your friends [98 words]berk akkApr 26, 2009 14:01153847
1our friends? [557 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 27, 2009 06:53153847
NATO MEMBER TURKEY [271 words]berk akkApr 27, 2009 07:07153847
BYZANTINE EMPIRE [149 words]berk akkApr 27, 2009 08:36153847
All is fiction without imagination, garbage words of the hypocrat and the pretender [155 words]yaseminApr 27, 2009 09:04153847
4"For a Turk only a Turk can be a friend" - a Turkish saying [900 words]IanusApr 27, 2009 15:41153847
1Unless pro-Turkish reality has no right to exist [609 words]IanusApr 27, 2009 16:56153847
1The amazing Turks and self hate [483 words]dhimmi no moreApr 27, 2009 18:23153847
2al-nasikh wa al-mansukh and the Qur'an a book that our dear BREK cannot read in Arabic [366 words]dhimmi no moreApr 27, 2009 20:37153847
ATTIDUDES OF COUNTRIES [394 words]berk akkApr 28, 2009 04:13153847
1Berk akk, aren't you a Turkish imam ? [1051 words]IanusApr 28, 2009 15:05153847
revisionists needed [1279 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 28, 2009 21:47153847
TURKEY AND S.ARABIA [287 words]BERK AKKApr 29, 2009 02:49153847
2Our dear BERK and Mecca and the Byzantine Empire [104 words]dhimmi no moreApr 29, 2009 20:07153847
1Ignorance Seeking Amiability ... [344 words]Young MCApr 30, 2009 02:54153847
commentıng style [69 words]berk akkApr 30, 2009 15:06153847
1All roads lead to Allah for Turks and Saudis [1210 words]IanusApr 30, 2009 17:21153847
1Our dear BERK and on being clueless [321 words]dhimmi no moreApr 30, 2009 20:44153847
DEFINITION OF HOLY [307 words]BERKMay 1, 2009 12:49153847
ways of commenting [28 words]BERK akkMay 1, 2009 16:16153847
wrong critter [39 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 1, 2009 20:55153847
1Behaving Ruthless while Requesting Amiability [74 words]Young MCMay 2, 2009 04:23153847
2The Greek name "Itsanbul" [640 words]IanusMay 2, 2009 06:09153847
trade volume [190 words]BERK akkMay 2, 2009 19:24153847
1Fre in Germany - outcry in Turkey. Turkish barber beheaded in Saudi Arabia - secularist silence [694 words]IanusMay 3, 2009 08:03153847
Allah's patent for al-buraq [77 words]IanusMay 3, 2009 08:27153847
SLAVERY [55 words]BERK akkMay 3, 2009 12:07153847
anatola [388 words]BERKA AKKMay 3, 2009 12:41153847
OUR DEAR BERK [72 words]berk akkMay 4, 2009 01:59153847
5Islambul, Hittite genocide, return of Hittite Turks to Hattusha and back to Turan [1434 words]IanusMay 4, 2009 06:27153847
2oil-gotten gains [364 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 4, 2009 21:40153847
BEYOND 4000 [781 words]berk akkMay 5, 2009 05:27153847
1The holy revisited [653 words]dhimmi no moreMay 6, 2009 07:09153847
3Turkish anti-scientific masterpieces [2426 words]IanusMay 6, 2009 17:07153847
who are turks [279 words]berk akkMay 7, 2009 08:40153847
2Allah's Wunderwaffe al-Buraq [691 words]IanusMay 8, 2009 16:58153847
1Our dear bERK and on being clueless part deux [225 words]dhimmi no moreMay 8, 2009 20:20153847
1The holy revisited part deux [561 words]dhimmi no moreMay 8, 2009 20:48153847
limits for personal comunication [274 words]BERKA AKKMay 9, 2009 04:21153847
the fastest pie in the sky [268 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 9, 2009 08:26153847
1Slavery and Illiteracy [178 words]Young MCMay 9, 2009 10:04153847
way of speaking [131 words]BERK AKKMay 10, 2009 05:48153847
chocolate country [43 words]berk akkMay 10, 2009 05:53153847
limits and Turkish happiness [846 words]IanusMay 10, 2009 06:12153847
2Our dear bERK and on being clueless part trois [185 words]dhimmi no moreMay 11, 2009 19:35153847
1Kemal in chocolate country [341 words]IanusMay 12, 2009 08:08153847
1Who are Turks ? [419 words]IanusMay 12, 2009 10:53153847
1Illiteracy and Neglect [78 words]Young MCMay 12, 2009 15:55153847
amicable words please [28 words]berk akkMay 13, 2009 03:34153847
Dimmi the only fact teller [513 words]berk akkMay 13, 2009 07:25153847
1Our dear BERK is not man enough to admit that he does not seem to know that Q109:6 was abrogated by Q9:5 [1313 words]dhimmi no moreMay 13, 2009 21:54153847
2Our dear BERK and the religion of the Arabs [623 words]dhimmi no moreMay 14, 2009 07:54153847
3Genocide Denier and Amicability [110 words]Young MCMay 14, 2009 12:10153847
collapsed [54 words]berk akkMay 15, 2009 01:59153847
2Those that deny the Armenian Genocide and their poor logic [480 words]dhimmi no moreMay 15, 2009 07:38153847
possibility of another perspective [313 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 16, 2009 01:22153847
never happen again [72 words]BERK AKKMay 22, 2009 07:44153847
friendship [208 words]berk akkMay 23, 2009 16:47153847
1The Armenian Genocide is a shameful act [140 words]dhimmi no moreMay 23, 2009 16:56153847
1To Janus Warlike & Peremptory [1462 words]GlafiraJun 17, 2009 18:41153847
4The doctored history of the Turks or 'Epistulae virorum obscurorum' [4226 words]IanusJun 18, 2009 16:24153847
2Rude Awakening, Peremptory & Warlike [217 words]Young MCJun 18, 2009 19:47153847
1To Ianus comment of 18 June [899 words]GlafiraJun 28, 2009 09:37153847
The 'Turkishness' of "pharaoh", "Peru", "spaghetti" ... [2783 words]IanusJun 29, 2009 08:03153847
we will defend ourselves [54 words]Proud Muslim TurkNov 1, 2009 19:00153847
2"Islam - this decaying corpse of an immoral Arab Beduin" [355 words]IanusNov 2, 2009 06:34153847
Two swords [55 words]LynnNov 2, 2009 10:14153847
1TURKISH HISTORY FOR THE 21st Century. [400 words]TamerDec 22, 2009 00:58153847
10Turkish anti-history at its best! [2254 words]IanusDec 23, 2009 10:23153847
Why so much hate from Greeks? [482 words]TamerDec 25, 2009 17:40153847
1What! [102 words]....Dec 19, 2010 14:59153847
2Ignorance is strength ...at least in dar-al Islam . [395 words]IanusDec 20, 2010 07:10153847
too many grey areas and biased unfounded empty worded arguments! [762 words]RzepaJun 24, 2011 14:22153847
Lack of historical knowledge [7 words]EtruschiJun 27, 2013 08:02153847
We DO want more democratically ruled muslims [492 words]DemsciApr 13, 2009 04:46153800
I DO NOT WANT TURKS AND TURKEY TO BE A PART OF EUROPE THEY ARE MUSLIMS WHO DO NOT BELONG TO EUROPE [169 words]TIRDAD GHARIBApr 11, 2009 18:44153749
2Turkey does not belong to NATO and should not join the EU and Obama and the Armenian Genocide [161 words]dhimmi no moreApr 11, 2009 15:52153744
why are they in NATO anyway [20 words]UKApr 11, 2009 12:56153735
1Nato has not developed security philosophy against Islamic threat [108 words]B.N.GururajApr 10, 2009 02:13153673
The mistakes which grew up!!! [290 words]MansoorApr 11, 2009 09:09153673
Is it agression on Islam, or agression by Islam? [77 words]B.N.GururajApr 12, 2009 09:31153673
Europe will not last and China has imperial ambitions [105 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiApr 16, 2009 21:15153673
Does Turkey still Belong to Nato? They have been a valuable Ally. [95 words]Anne- USAApr 9, 2009 11:02153638
NATO's jihadist darlings [71 words]IanusApr 10, 2009 08:10153638
Nato is under greater threat, because of Islam and Russia's opposition [127 words]Anne-USAApr 11, 2009 20:44153638
NATO and Islam - friends in deed [205 words]IanusApr 14, 2009 08:11153638
Not all are terrorists- Reach out to the ones that aren't [414 words]AnneApr 15, 2009 09:03153638
"Not all are terrorists" ... All terrorists say they are no terrorists. [702 words]IanusApr 16, 2009 08:44153638
Judgements are coming to the Nations. [874 words]AnneApr 18, 2009 08:14153638
Judgements [67 words]IanusApr 20, 2009 16:25153638
I agree, common goal unites us. [62 words]AnneApr 21, 2009 20:23153638
the newest world order.. [93 words]YukselApr 9, 2009 07:06153632
A Moslem asks why we kafirs don't like his sweet Islam. [301 words]IanusApr 10, 2009 08:50153632
you CANNOT make generalise these as islam.. [27 words]pdmApr 10, 2009 14:37153632
you have to be honest.. [77 words]YukselApr 11, 2009 01:30153632
Moslem "honesty" [273 words]IanusApr 12, 2009 06:08153632
prejudices [130 words]YukselApr 14, 2009 16:13153632
1A moslem obscurantist gets angry at 'Jewish media' and promises earthly paradise to kafirs under Islam [995 words]IanusApr 15, 2009 06:47153632
easy to believe because they always have. [632 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 15, 2009 07:56153632
The ultimate victim [308 words]dhimmi no moreApr 15, 2009 08:13153632
1Ianus [431 words]yaseminApr 15, 2009 23:34153632
We kafirs are "the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah" but "Do you hear any Muslim here insulting any other religion" ? [1729 words]IanusApr 17, 2009 08:50153632
Islam is an obstacle to EU membership ! [148 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreApr 8, 2009 13:30153591
Obama sending wrong signals [105 words]VijayApr 8, 2009 04:44153568
"If Turkey ever turns fully Islamist ... " "If? ... Turkey is already fully Islamist." [171 words]IanusApr 9, 2009 16:33153568
There goes Avigdor Lieberman's idea [78 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDApr 10, 2009 11:46153568
Vijay you're right [70 words]yaseminApr 10, 2009 14:29153568
Reply to Ianus (Poland) [180 words]VijayApr 10, 2009 18:10153568
1The dogma of Turkish secularism or Western amnesia [1530 words]IanusApr 11, 2009 08:40153568
A NATO-Israeli war 21... ? [360 words]IanusApr 18, 2009 14:30153568
Israel is not Serbia [107 words]yuval Brandstetter MDApr 21, 2009 00:55153568
1Israel is not Serbia - agreed [363 words]IanusApr 22, 2009 04:10153568
What do Turks think about Nato and the European Union? [190 words]Isaac HaskiyaApr 8, 2009 03:30153566
With friends like Turkey who needs opponents! [727 words]Chet LimbrightApr 7, 2009 19:59153533
The magician [105 words]Doug CorriganApr 7, 2009 18:21153528
Stupid Democracies. [6 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 20:55153528
We have learned nothing [233 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Stephen E. ConnorApr 7, 2009 14:09153515
Even muslims reconize their failures to control their populations [143 words]pdmApr 7, 2009 14:09153514
Clash of Civilizations [257 words]RafiApr 7, 2009 13:10153504
Only One will do the Job [24 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 23:49153504
1Should Turkey be in NATO? [1579 words]TugbaApr 7, 2009 08:35153491
losing the vision [608 words]yaseminApr 8, 2009 06:47153491
2For the Turk a 'pro-Turkish' absurdity is welcome, an 'anti-Turkish' fact is unacceptable . [2151 words]IanusApr 19, 2009 18:03153491
I keep waiting. [138 words]LynnApr 7, 2009 08:21153490
Outstanding! [5 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 20:52153490
What a SUCCESS [33 words]yaseminApr 8, 2009 07:32153490
You should know. [87 words]LynnApr 9, 2009 12:32153490
Turks awakening [120 words]abbataiNov 26, 2009 13:11153490
Is there a need for NATO anyway? [88 words]Guzel AnkaraApr 7, 2009 08:14153488
5Turkey's thwarted invasion of Armenia in 1992/3 [1619 words]IanusApr 8, 2009 18:00153488
if communism threat continued? [119 words]muratApr 10, 2009 17:16153488
1The rage of Moslem narcissists against freedom of speech [690 words]IanusApr 11, 2009 09:37153488
Can NATO survive without Turkey ? [73 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Debanjan BanerjeeApr 11, 2009 12:14153488
we wish the same [116 words]yaseminApr 13, 2009 05:19153488
1Lenin badly needed [35 words]IanusApr 14, 2009 10:30153488
Islam needs to limit freedom [471 words]Chet LimbrightApr 14, 2009 13:12153488
Racism may kill all. [101 words]MorpheusApr 17, 2009 01:57153488
Criticizing Islam is "racist" [200 words]IanusApr 18, 2009 08:08153488
Not racism [38 words]AnonApr 19, 2009 02:25153488
The abhorrent world [64 words]IanusApr 20, 2009 14:48153488
Fish is slipping out of the hands!!! [550 words]MansoorApr 7, 2009 06:35153484
Mansoor let go of your dead fish [320 words]Chet LimbrightApr 8, 2009 22:17153484
This political diagnosis is a very complex and difficult one. [147 words]Isaac HaskiyaApr 7, 2009 03:58153481
Try to be happy, try to laugh and love someone nesr you and plese stay where you are.... [347 words]yaseminApr 9, 2009 01:49153481
2Oh our dear yasemin is leaving [514 words]dhimmi no moreApr 11, 2009 08:08153481
Kemalist janissaries [864 words]IanusApr 11, 2009 11:59153481
3Be happy ! Become a Turk ! - a fairy tale [461 words]IanusApr 12, 2009 16:20153481
let's talk about your problems while you were living in Turkey [33 words]yaseminApr 13, 2009 07:21153481
Talking of problems [145 words]IanusApr 14, 2009 05:56153481
Ianus seems to know about everything (negative) on Turkey [260 words]Isaac HaskiyaApr 20, 2009 04:06153481
1Yasemin and on being a victim [159 words]dhimmi no moreApr 21, 2009 08:15153481
in the need of the extraterrestrials [399 words]yaseminApr 21, 2009 08:27153481
1Ianus seems to know about everything negative on Turkey ... I wish I knew !!! ... The case of Constantinople 6-7.09. 1955 [1604 words]IanusApr 21, 2009 10:58153481
3A Turk preaches on "democracy" - Anatürk [818 words]IanusApr 23, 2009 11:11153481
3exercising democratic rights [471 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 23, 2009 22:29153481
Method to Obama's madness [172 words]Robert SoltoApr 6, 2009 20:11153463
No Turkey in EU or NATO [168 words]Rebecca MouldsApr 6, 2009 19:31153459
Well thought out rationale [24 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 13:55153459
Don't just dump Turkey, dump NATO [126 words]PaulApr 6, 2009 19:04153458
Nato and Turkey [184 words]Ernie LofthouseApr 6, 2009 18:24153455
Good Post #918 [134 words]RRSmithApr 6, 2009 17:25153444
YES and NO [75 words]yaseminApr 6, 2009 17:58153444
Kemal and cartoons [328 words]IanusApr 6, 2009 18:39153444
I am aware of the roll of Turks & Jews. [80 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 20:38153444
Yasemin [53 words]Kevin SynnottApr 8, 2009 15:47153444
Kevin [198 words]yaseminApr 9, 2009 02:33153444
1Korkak yahudi and best selling "Mein Kampf" in Turkey [653 words]IanusApr 9, 2009 09:36153444
1'Happy' Ottoman and Kemalist Jews [718 words]IanusApr 10, 2009 15:11153444
ANGEL USA ! [560 words]yaseminApr 11, 2009 15:01153444
"Mustafa Kemal [...] Mussolini is his first disciple and I am his second disciple" - Adolf Hitler [212 words]IanusApr 12, 2009 10:51153444
5Who Can Show Me The Safest Country In The Wold? [565 words]Bezmi KayaDec 26, 2011 06:24153444
Turkey failed to be a true NATO member in 2003. [90 words]M.D'SouzaApr 6, 2009 17:20153438
Soviet Turkey [74 words]LiciniaApr 6, 2009 17:04153430
US belongs to Indians [15 words]yaseminApr 6, 2009 18:06153430
Soviet Turkey [387 words]IanusApr 6, 2009 18:07153430
US and Anatolia [217 words]IanusApr 7, 2009 06:05153430
2Another victim of the Turks and their imperialism [157 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2009 08:00153430
Turks move back east, they are not native to Turkey. [145 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 13:44153430
Israel [9 words]AnonApr 7, 2009 17:19153430
To Licinia... [25 words]umutApr 7, 2009 17:46153430
Answer It, Please [13 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 23:51153430
"Holocaust ? What holocaust ... ? ! " [588 words]IanusApr 8, 2009 10:04153430
Get with the program, show some knowledge. [51 words]Kevin SynnottApr 8, 2009 15:40153430
I love Indians [44 words]yaseminApr 8, 2009 20:37153430
yes HOLOCAUST [62 words]MINAApr 9, 2009 05:13153430
Forlorn hope! [100 words]IanusApr 9, 2009 06:52153430
3Turkish delusions [500 words]dhimmi no moreApr 10, 2009 07:20153430
Turkish "altruists" [587 words]IanusApr 10, 2009 07:47153430
5Hunnic DNA of modern Turks [317 words]IanusApr 10, 2009 09:27153430
West and East should stand on their own feet, and the leaders sould stop useing religion as agent provocator [315 words]yaseminApr 10, 2009 10:50153430
3Ionia was a great centre of ancient Turkic civilization ... - a history lesson in Turkish school [923 words]IanusApr 11, 2009 16:20153430
1More Turkish delusions [513 words]dhimmi no moreApr 12, 2009 09:10153430
1Turkish logic and how many Iraqis were killed during the Turkish occuaption of the Middle East? [268 words]dhimmi no moreApr 13, 2009 07:25153430
16"All civilization is Turkic in origin" or world history Turkified [743 words]IanusApr 14, 2009 10:25153430
history of wars [2543 words]yaseminApr 14, 2009 20:35153430
1War on plagiarism [107 words]IanusApr 15, 2009 17:37153430
Our dear yasemin is back [76 words]dhimmi no moreApr 15, 2009 18:36153430
read more true historry malaka [187 words]bozkurtMay 20, 2009 10:17153430
1"true" history by a toothless grey wolfie ! [695 words]IanusMay 21, 2009 06:33153430
1Selahi Diker's ideas are not original ideas [117 words]mutluMay 29, 2009 06:52153430
1A happy Turk on happy Turks and unhappy kafirs [1124 words]IanusMay 30, 2009 07:14153430
for all other people [151 words]mutluJun 4, 2009 09:06153430
1Loving the evil is correct. Hating the evil is wrong... The Turkish mind at work [711 words]IanusJun 7, 2009 07:21153430
Happy Ignorant on Being Clueless [257 words]Young MCJun 7, 2009 20:17153430
so go back to ireland and england [358 words]a Turkish patriotJun 12, 2009 07:54153430
1Turks Slaughter the Armenians [51 words]Tom DundeeJun 14, 2009 14:04153430
Greeks and hate filled christian fanatic EU members. [41 words]TomasSep 6, 2009 01:51153430
Thieves on stealing [557 words]IanusSep 7, 2009 04:42153430
IANUS- DHIMMI- Are they the one and the same... [42 words]JoseDec 22, 2009 01:12153430
1"IANUS- DHIMMI- Are they the one and the same..." ... Don't the Moslems say the same about "Allah" and "Jehova" (to deceive the Jews and Christians)? [268 words]IanusDec 22, 2009 17:10153430
Answer to ... comment of Ianus. [23 words]TsaNov 18, 2011 11:46153430
3Tsa on Poles [386 words]IanusNov 19, 2011 17:54153430
... Anti-Turk bias... [180 words]ardaMay 2, 2012 01:26153430
5-Anti-liar bias - [770 words]IanusMay 3, 2012 17:18153430
Elamite and Turkish [90 words]Sm SullivanNov 25, 2013 04:20153430
fundemantalism and illiteracy [53 words]FerfJul 8, 2014 09:46153430
2America's mad alliance and NATO as a weapon of jihad [1365 words]IanusApr 6, 2009 16:48153427
Gratitude for Poland [173 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 17:35153427
And how did the European powers show their gratitude to Poland ? [14 words]Guzel AnkaraApr 7, 2009 08:21153427
2Europe - 'the sick man of the world' [259 words]IanusApr 7, 2009 15:52153427
1Poland's partitions or the difference between the Turkish and Russian rule [494 words]IanusApr 8, 2009 05:35153427
2TURKEY'S FUTURE IN NATO- OR ANY OTHER SECULAR ORGANIZATION? NOT A CHANCE! [415 words]JKFApr 6, 2009 16:18153423
secular and islamic - the big lie [97 words]LiciniaApr 6, 2009 17:13153423
Secular and islamic - the big lie [297 words]IanusApr 8, 2009 10:30153423
You are the servants and Turks are the rulers [229 words]MelisaJul 17, 2010 19:28153423
Gulf War II.... [67 words]Wm SturmApr 6, 2009 14:28153421
Gulf War II.... [92 words]IanusApr 6, 2009 17:24153421
Gulf wars [36 words]AnonApr 7, 2009 16:54153421
Too Much Koolaid [18 words]Kevin SynnottApr 8, 2009 15:54153421
BOTH WEST and EAST are our neighbours, cannot belong completely to one side. [640 words]yaseminApr 6, 2009 14:18153420
East & West [430 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 17:03153420
Religion and politics together is a total and dishonest lie. [574 words]yaseminApr 6, 2009 19:51153420
As the western world continues its disintegration, Islam's puzzle pieces keep falling into place. [34 words]kmanApr 6, 2009 14:14153419
It's their choice. [51 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 14:06153417
'A mission and a charter' [67 words]IanusApr 6, 2009 16:57153417
Mission & Charter [145 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 17:50153417
1Mission & Charter [379 words]IanusApr 9, 2009 15:43153417
INVITING TURKEY TO NATO [69 words]JACQUES HADIDAApr 6, 2009 13:24153413
Ankara remains an important ally [220 words]GWKApr 6, 2009 13:11153411
Bungled by whom? [263 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 17:16153411
Not Bungled -- if empowering Iran was the intention [260 words]GWKApr 7, 2009 10:30153411
I disagree with the Bush Cheney assessment by you. [447 words]Kevin SynnottApr 8, 2009 16:18153411
Moderate Islam, especially Attaturk's version, needs to be encouraged, [551 words]GWKApr 8, 2009 20:57153411
Kevin Synnott, Muhammad's death [5 words]InfidelApr 8, 2009 21:42153411
1Turkey as a threat to democracy [332 words]Daniella CsizmadiaApr 6, 2009 12:51153409
Very Good points. [90 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 17:23153409
3Turkey in Eurabia [1214 words]IanusApr 7, 2009 07:51153409
Agree - Turkey should not be in NATO or in the Council of Europe [93 words]Craig ReadApr 12, 2009 07:12153409
EUROPE & U.S. TAKING THEIR FREE REPUBLICS, DEMOCRACY AND LIBERTY FOR GRANTED [482 words]Sofa SogoodApr 30, 2009 17:35153409
Turkey [28 words]Iftikhar AhmadApr 6, 2009 11:09153400
1Turkey 'looking after the interest of all Muslim countries' [194 words]IanusApr 6, 2009 17:13153400
Salaam [84 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 17:42153400
WORDS and ACTIONS [42 words]yaseminApr 6, 2009 17:46153400
Ianus, Obama looking after the interest of Muslims [177 words]InfidelApr 6, 2009 19:37153400
Anyone Remember Lawrence of Arabia [46 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 20:13153400
You are out of the closet [88 words]Kevin SynnottApr 6, 2009 20:19153400
1The Turks and Turkey is not a democracy [305 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2009 07:50153400
Death Cults do not have gods. [67 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 13:52153400
Citizenship [41 words]Kevin SynnottApr 7, 2009 14:04153400
3Allah's America [670 words]IanusApr 7, 2009 15:15153400
1accuse...accuse very easy parrot talking. Let's discuss today, now, here. [410 words]yaseminApr 8, 2009 05:13153400
US Citizenship [227 words]Kevin SynnottApr 8, 2009 15:28153400
Right on, Ianus!! [141 words]JaladhiApr 8, 2009 16:14153400
yasemin, the new Historian [45 words]InfidelApr 8, 2009 21:54153400
2Our dear yasemin seems to have nothing more to say [331 words]dhimmi no moreApr 9, 2009 07:24153400

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