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The coming global turmoil

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 13, 2009 at 14:58

Hi, kman !

Thanks a lot for your flattering words. I can't say I don't enjoy them. ;)

> I personally don't think there will be a nuclear attack to take out the Muslim nations. It's not in God's cards. Russia seems to be allying itself with the radical Muslims, so I don't expect they will do anything offensively against them.<

Unless the Moslem 'allies' turn against their kafiri friends on their own or pushed to do so by the other kafiri force seeking desperately Moslem favour - the US ... After their jihadist exploits in the Balkans ( Bosnia&Kosovo ) the Americans may expect some Moslem gratitude and udnerstanding, might they not ? By the way, the Moslems believe that Allah uses kafirs as an instrument of their own self-destruction. And when one looks at the history of Islam this interpretation - while secularizng it a bit - offers the ebst explanation for Islam's successes - some misguided Jews inviting Muhammed to Medina ; some Iranians fed up with the Sassanid regime showing the Arabs fords and weak places of Persian defence ; a dissatisfied Visigothic count seeking help with Moslems; a Byzantine emperor sending his daughter to the Turkish harem to get Turkish troops for his civil war ; Bulgarian princes hoping to settle scores with their rivals with the Turkish assistance ...now leftist apostles and rightist popes showing off with their love for Islam for their hidden reasons...

> I don't think the Israelis would dare do anything in the nuclear venue against their enemies.<

Even pressed in the corner ? I am not sure about God, but to me the Moslem game seems to aim at making life impossible for Israelis in their own state and I hope the Israelis will rather strike back on time than follow this mad game to its bitter end - exodus from or self-destruction of the state of Israel.

>They may make that expected strike against Iran's nuclear digs.<

Hopefully they will do that before an Iranian nuclear device explodes 'by mistake' or otherwise over Tel Aviv or Haifa.

> China is definitely in God's plans, big time and so is Russia. The big "Bear" from the north will thrust south in the "end time" scenario and China (the sleeping giant [no longer asleep] to the east) will sweep south and west towards the same goal - the Middle East.<

Or they will rather try to dominate depopulated Siberia (the giant Russian Far East has c. 7 mln people. Chinese Manchuria c.120 mln ) which is Russia's treasury in the most literal sense ?

> Russia wants a warm weather port in the south & China, of course, control of Middle Eastern oil.<

I am not so sure about China's goals. They have Russia and the US as two possible targets or allies. I think sooner or later the Chinese will have to take on the US allying themsleves with Russia or Russia in alliance with the US. They will have to solve this problem before they are able to expand to the Middle and Near East.

> There will be a spark to set it all off. Russia will probably respond in some way to support the Muslims against Israel, but their major objective is that southern warm water port.<

Russia is a shadow of the old USRR. To move to any warm sea port she has to go across and dominate the former Soviet Republics in Transcaucasia and Central Asia and this is a tricky matter as it was shown with Georgia last summer. In Central Asia she has to tacke also an almost insurmountable task.

> China will get all uptight over the whole thing's destabilizing the Middle Eastern oil supply.<

What role might the Saudis/India/Pakistan play according to this scenario ?

> The "west" seems to be out of the picture in God's plan. There will be no region left to represent the western nations. The west has already sold out to self-indulgence and is wakening to late to make any permanent deflection of Islam's stealth attack against them. The Liberals have snatched power in the U.S. and I think they have great plans for holding onto it, unfortunately. Their schemes for consolidating power for the long term are proving very effective. They are playing ball with the Muslims, too as per their populist slant on things. The rest of America for the most part is just plain clueless. <

If the West is paralyzed from within as you think ( and I presume you are right) , then how the Moslem-Leftist West will react to the coming global turmoil ? Civil wars and internecine sectarian violence like in Lebanon to use the few remaining resources ?

> Europe is buried knee deep in Muslims, so I don't hold out much hope for it. The video on population demographics show a steady loss of native societies numbers against that of the Muslims.<

Yes, you are right , alas. Western Europe's self-imposed demise is hardly reversible in the long run unless a radical anti-Islamic revolution takes place which is hardly improbably in the foreseeable future. But Eastern Europe is still largely free from that plague although we have a negative demographic trend too. What do you think about our fate ? A full-scale Moslem NATO-led invasion like in Bosnia "to stop Islamophobia" with emirates, sultanates and sheikdoms popping up in Poland, Lithuania, Estonia and Bohemia or the last refuge of freedom and resistance (WWII-style guerilla movements) to this metasthasized Moslem self-multiplying Frankensteinian cancer that is devouring its Western hosts ?

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