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Submitted by the grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Apr 21, 2009 at 06:44

Mr Berk Akk (pbuh) writes:

"You are being awarded a congratulation from my side in success of finding sudden reasons even for rejecting for my claim about brain clearing and how bad islam and how bad Turkish are "

Thankyou but I don't need your congratulations - the task was actually very easy. Anybody with any clarity can do it.

"Dear sir first of all it was in history:) There is no maddrasas in today."

No madrassahs today? I suppose in a society where everyone agrees with you, you might find facts a little hard to handle. This might come as a bit of a shock to you - but madrassas really do exist, and do churn out fanatics. Yes, I can hear your astonishment - yes, even now - in the 21st century, people still soak it up thinking it's relevant.


"But there are christ scools in your country even today."

Christ schools? Yes, there are religious schools here - Christian, jewish, even a Muslim one - and there are agricultural schools, Steiner schools, probably Hndu schools too. There's a very big difference between an Islamic madrassa and a Western school having a religious affiliation in the west. Religious education might occur for one or two periods a week. There is no forcing of doctrine, rote learning of lengthy passages of scriptures, no insistence that the rest of society is peopled by lowlife kaffirs . Well not in Christian and Jewish schools anyway. Freedom of thought and discussion are encouraged - nothing or very little is off limits.

"Besides ,in madrassas education was not about marijhuane ,cocain games ,sex crimes,murders ,selfishness but those can bee seen clearly in western idol world. I cant understand your items?"

I can appreciate that you "can't understand your items" - freedom of ideas and fredom to express those ideas must be a little hard for you to get your head around.? marijhuane ,cocain games ,sex crimes,murders ,selfishness would be topics of discussion in social studies classes in Western schools. Students are encouraged to talk about societal issues and see the effects of these on society itself and individual people's lives . That is a far healthier attitude than denying that negative trends or actual criminality in society does not exist. The result is people become informed and aware - and able to make better life choices.

"Yes according to you everyone is wrong and cant understand you except people who live out of your castle.You well know building huge castles"

You make that claim, gifted as you are in the art of hyperbole and self deception.. What castles have I built and do all people who point out the obvious faults live in castles?

."Who wish to attack EU door and destroy values inside?

let's see - Madrid train bombers, London tube bombers, activists in France and Holland, the vermin who have actually carried out fatal attacks on people they see as 'enemies of Islam' , the medical doctors responsible for driving an explosive laden 4WD into Glasgow airport are of course good examples of overt signs of chaging the face of European culture. The hidden concern and unease are less noticeable but nevertheless a corrosive influence on the fabric of life.

A large number of fanatics throughout Europe are dedicated to exactly this.goal. Having moved here from third world squalor , whatever they see as unIslamic is a target for them

"This is a nightmare created in some EU members minds."

You ARE joking aren't you?

Of the hundreds of examples I find in seconds - here's one -


"Or these walues is about the subject of killing millions each other in 2nd world war ?"

again, you bring up toatlly irrelevant points in your non-argument. But take a step back - and you'll see what was happening - much as what is happening today. Europe saw tyranny and oppression and said - 'we don't want it'. And they fought against the perpetrators. In that case the bad guys just happened to have been fellow Europeans. The same mad psychology was underlying . Instead of the 3rd Reich we have the Dar al islam, instead of Hitler and Mein Kampf and the unter menschen Jews we have a 7th century pedophile and the confused Koran and its anti-semitic garbage. and the lowly kaffirs. It just a question of degree.

"Did u forget bombarded cities in France,Germany ,poland?"

what has that got to do with anything.? WW2 happened - get over it.

But you've made me curoius about Turkey's shady past in this regard. I find Turkey sitting on the fence - waiting to see who would win before backing the victor.

  • 13 October 1939: After the treaty between USSR and Germany was signed (23 August 1939), President Inönü singed a treaty with France and Great Britain and obtained financial help.
  • 25 March 1941: Turkey signed a treaty with the USSR which guaranteed that the USSR would not attack Turkey.
  • June 1941: A few days before Germany declared war on the USSR, Turkey signed a treaty with Germany which guaranteed that Germany would not attack Turkey.
  • 23 February 1945: Turkey declared war on Germany, and later on Japan, three months before the armistice.
  • 24 October 1945: Turkey entered the United Nations.

"Dear sir unfortunately there was nobody from islam and turkish side in those wars where 50 miilion young ,kids and olders were killed. So before claiming others take a look at the history ."

yes, I know nobody from Islam sided in those wars..........









The Mufti and the Führer

In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis' anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.

The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, "they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries."1

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti's requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his "thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches....The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely....the Jews...." Hitler replied:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.2

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

(ya just gotta love this infidel technology)

".....I kindly advice you to accept War and crime is not related to religious and nationalist terms but related to underground capital colonists."

Is this your way of saying it's the evil Jewish bankers who started WW2? You know - I've had a busy day - a little bit of comic relief would be welcome. Anybody got any Turkish history books?

"With those principles you claim,it is not posibble to compromise other people but morever you cant compromise yourself."

Sounds as though it's meant to be a wise, didactic aphorism but your meaning is lost. I agree with the last statement - you can't compromise your own values.

That's what this is all about.


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