"What they have done to the Armenians, they will do to us one day too".
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 2, 2009 at 17:50
Hi, TruthWFree !
Thanks for your kind words and questions.
> You seem to have a very good handle on the Islamic Turkish situation and I am curious as to how you have such a detailed knowledge of their non-democracy when it comes to Islam. I assume you are a student of history (not just Turkey and Islam).<
Correct guess. I studied history here in Lodz a long time ago. They had a very good library and I was a regular user. At first I was fascinated by ancient history. I liked later Roman history and through Byzantium I encountered Islam and the Arabs and later the Turks as the most dangerous and implacable enemies of all Europe stands for. The more I read about them, the more I was convinced the ancient conflict with them and the evil religion they were spreading by terror and fraud is the central and most serious problem not just of the medieval history. This remote drama goes on and its most recent tragic acts are the total extermination of Hellenism in Asia Minor and Northern Cyprus after more than 3000 years of uninterrupted historical existence there. And it will never be over until either Europe is overrun by and subdued to Moslem barbarity and chaos or Islam is defeated and pushed back to the deserts where it emerged from.
> The Patriachate situation in Turkey appears to be akin to a person trying to eat to stay alive with someone's hands around their throat.<
A very good comparison, but instead of "eat" I'd say "breathe"...
> I had gotten into a discussion on USAToday with a Turkish fellow when our US Congress was going to pass the resolution condemning the Armenian massacre or genocide.<
I had plenty of verbal battles with them, many on 'YouTube' where I am blocked at present. The Turks submitted a complaint against me and the YouTube janissaries reacted submissively. They sileneced me by blocking any comments I try to send. I wonder if they have sent my identity to their Turkish "friends" as formally requested by the Turkish public prosecutor. (See my comment "Turkey is watching you...!") The Turks are very revengeful and in case I might happen to sojourn in Turkey ... who knows?
> I was of the opinion at that time that we should have done something long ago and that it served no purpose to blast an ally now. The Turk's defense at that time was that the Armenian situation was war time and had nothing to do with Islam (that seems now to be the standard answer).<
It's a very inglorious affair. Unfortunately, both the US and the Jewish leadership of the Anti-Defamation League and influential people in Israel had for a long time played a shameful role supporting the Turkish criminals in their campaign of genocide denial. What did they achieve by that? The contempt of the Turks and their conviction that bullying and blackmailing pays off.
> I was first made aware of the genocide by reading Serge Trifkovic's 'Sword of the Prophet'. <
As a student I read a history of Armenia and knew what was involved there. Later I perused other books and a collection of shocking documents and eye witness reports in Russian. It read like a nightmare from a human slaughterhouse. The Russians have plenty of excellent historical books.
> After reading your posts and learning more about Turkey's complete lack of religious freedom, I am now of the opinion that Turkey coming into the EU will almost guarantee the Islamization of Europe.<
But the EU supports actively lslamization of the continent. Bosnia and Kosovo are not a mad US-only project. It's as much a EU brainchild. And the fundamental(ist) EU recommendation 1162/1991 reads like a reproach against us and a promise of a bright future in Islamic Europe.
'"6. Islam has, however, suffered and is still suffering from misrepresentation, for example through hostile or oriental stereotypes, and there is very little awareness in Europe either of the importance of Islam's past contribution or of Islam's potentially positive role in European society today. Historical errors, educational eclecticism and the over‑simplified approach of the media are responsible for this situation."
8. [...] It must be recognised that intolerance and distrust unfortunately exist on both sides, Islamic and non‑Islamic.
9. The Assembly is aware [...] of the need for a better knowledge of the past so as better to understand the present and prepare the future, and of the valuable contribution that Islamic values can make to the quality of fife through a renewed European approach on an overall basis to the cultural, economic, scientific and social fields.
Isn't it sheer mockery and insulting our intelligence? The satraps from Brussels , a city already 40% Islamic , will be happy when 40% of the population will become Islamic and 76 000 000 new Moslems from Turkey are the right step in this direction, isn't it ? Eurabia in the making!
> I believe most of the Muslims in France are Turks, correct? <
In France they are from Maghreb - Algeria, Marocco, Tunesia. In Germany they are Turks (officially 3 mln , in fact much more). I was last year in Germany - Cologne, Duesseldorf, Bonn , Essen... I haven't seen so many Turkish flags for a long time. And the Turks don't integrate and react with fury against any criticism. But they are playing their own game. As a grim joke a German told me "What they have done to the Armenians, they will do to us one day too".
> And in the UK, they are Pakistani's? <
I think they predominate.
>Does Poland have a Muslim population?<
A negligible one , thanks God ! C. 5-6 000 Polonized Tatars near Bilystok. The thing foreboding evil is though that their imam has been trained in Saudi Arabia and there is a mosque in Dantzig (Saudi-trained Chazbijewicz is the imam there) and a small one in Warsaw. Furthermore, there are a few thousand "refugees' Chechens and students and former "students" from the Arab world as well. I knew even one of them Majjid - from Iraq. As a private person he looked nice and polite. But you should have seen him when other Arabs invited by him came. What a hateful and bloody anti-Semite and jihadist! Unbelieveable transformation! He has emigrated to the UK in the meantime.
> I would be interested to hear your opinion on Turkey's warming up to Iran and if it is related to their EU bid.<
No, I don't think it has something to do with the EU. They have rather a booty to divide beforehand in Iraq. How long can the US stay there ? For 5-10 more years ? And then ? When the US withdraws , a Sunni-shi'a civil war will erupt. The Iranians will use it to occupy Southern Iraq or create a puppet shi'a state under their control while the Turks will liquidate the Kurdish state in Northern Iraq and carry out a small scale Kurdish genocide (stopping an imaginary genocide by PKK of course) and grab the Mossul oil fields. I think this is the core of the deal where also Syria can be the third party. Interestingly enough , the shi'a leader Muqtada al-Sadr visited Ankara just two days ago. What for ? The explanation "Turkey has been holding talks with the various religious and ethnic groups of Iraq in an effort to establish stability and maintain unity in the country." is soft soap , of course.
Turkey is championing the Pan-Turkic idea and Iran with c. 25% Turkic population can fear Turkish ambitions. In the war between the Armenians and Azeris over Nagorno-Karabakh Iran supported Armenia. Now the Turks must have made some essential concessions concerning Iranian Turks. I am not sure what. Perhaps some privileges for Turkey's considerable shi'a community ? Economically the Turkish-Iranian trade relations are flourishing with $12 bln value. I am also not sure what role the Iranian atom bomb may play in this rapprochement but Iran seems to appreciate the announcement that Ankara won't allow Israel to use Turkish airspace in attacking Iran and that "Turkey would never signal its willingness to accept such an air strike by the Israeli Air Force (IAF) and would immediately shoot down any aircraft violating its own space en route to Iran, [...] a neighbor and important trading partner."
> It seems they would be contenders for supremacy in the Islamic world and Turkey is preferable to the insanity in Iran.<
The preferable thing in my opinion would be if they cut each other's throats instead just as the Iranians and Iraqis did in the 80-ies. Whether Turkish or Iranian, Islam can't do without insanity. There is perhaps a difference of degree between the two, but not of kind.
> I would also be interested to know how a person like you who appears to be freedom loving fared in Communist Poland. I assume you lived through that era.<
Yes, I did. I am 42 years old after all. I spent my best time studying during the Gorbachov era - 1985-1991. This was the golden age of freedom in my opinion. The old oppressive system was dying while the new corrupt and insidious oligarchy was not yet born and didn't get its unhealthy grip of people's lives and minds. Before I was too small to be interested in those things. Anyway, our Polish communism wasn't as malign and criminal as the Soviet or GDR version. Communism in Poland meant land for the landless peasants like my father, expulsion of the Germans after 1945 (the old dream of the extreme right in Poland come true thanks to Stalin) , new frontiers. The Catholic Church actively supported communism as they got almost purely Catholic society -compared to 30% non-Catholic before 1939 - and plenty of new parochies and Protestant - former German - churches and church land. Here in Lodz they usurped two of three German churches. But who remembers that now ?
During the Gorbachov time it turned out -as I noticed- that the old freedom fighters like Walensa or the pope were in fact not so much for freedom as for offices, power, adulation and riches which they accumulated excessively. Under communism I can't remember any beggars. They appeared after the fall of communism in large numbers. True, I can think and say many things which were forbidden under communism. But what use is it to criticize the old abuses while attacking the new abuses is strongly discouraged, unwelcome and hard to publish? In a nihilistic culture that is being imposed upon us nowadays what use is free speech?
> By the way, my ancestors came to the USA from Bohemia and Moravia in 1875 from an area near the Polish border.<
So we are distant neighbours. ;) Here in and near Lodz there were many settlers from Bohemia , mostly Germans who were weavers and artisans. They immigrated here during the first half of the 19th century. Unlike other local Germans they were Catholics and got Polonized through intermarriages.
Best regards ,
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