limits and Turkish happiness
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 10, 2009 at 06:12
BERKA AKK wrote :
"see as a Moslem you have to detest Greek mythology. A Moslem must hate what his Allah dislikes and venerate what his Allah approves of...""Moslem you have to detest""you are a shame and curse to humanity"
> Ianus,till today i did not set up limits for you and not insulted personay.but you start on this letter. but i just answered my self thought. But you often put limit on me" "you have to"you must that" you must this"you must etc..." <
One minute... Are you a Moslem or aren't you ? If you are as all (99,8%) Turks are, then why should what applies to all Moslems suddenly not apply to you ? E.g. how can I treat a Moslem whose Allah teaches : [9.29] "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth ... " ?
But wait .. How dare I complain ? Our Moslem might feel offended that I confront him with his own religion in such an unflattering way (truth is nothing he might paricularly care about ) and feel that I have insulted him personally.
> this cant make bring a good quality on the discussion.<
What it does bring instead is much clarity which we badly need while dealing with Moslem/Turkish obscurantists. Moslems are not rational beings after all. If they were, how could they believe , nay boast of believing all that dull and depressing nonsense called Islam=slavery?
> i actually feel realy bad .will you continue like that?if so please tell me.<
It all depends on you. If you say : "Sorry, Ianus, I was wrong. Actually, I agree Islam is a nasty stupid BS and no one in his senses can care about that immoral Arab camel-driver's drivel - his Allah, daily prayers and criminal record disguised like superior 'morality' ... The same applies to this Turkishness which is the biggest and nastiest hoax ", then we can have a frutitful and pleasant discussion indeed. Otherwise ...
"You implicitly did as I know the Turkish historical 'theory'. Turks founded all civiliazation and are so heir to it all, aren't they ? It's what you Turks are taught at school after all, aren't you , and it what makes you feel so happy, doesn't it ?"
> I dont know how many times i have to explain you that this theory not teached at schools.<
And what is taught in Turkish school then? That most Turkish/Turkic civilizatory words like "iron"(demir), "gold"(altın), "silver"(gümüş) etc. etc. have Chinese or Iranian etymologies and so the destruction of Osmanlıca by Kemal was useless as Turks were parasitic barbarians and invaders that destroyed and enslaved populations on a much higher level of civilization and later brutally Turkified them imposing their lower culture upon them ? ...
> Me too found info abt this thoery when i was 30 yeasr old on some fiction books.But i start to take posibility of this theory to be true after your reacts.<
It's Ataturk's theory, so speaking of its "possibility to be true" you insiunate that Ataturk's ideas might be wrong as well and so implicitly insult Turkishness. Aren't you afraid of being persecuted and jailed for it ? The rules of the game are clear in Ataturkistan, aren't they ? Now the Turkish hangmen want to arrest foreigners who happen to have insulted Turkishness.
> I didint teached as well.Its crazy...<
Like everything in Turkey...what? A nation of non-Turkish majority (Islamized Greeks, Armenians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Circassians etc. etc. etc. ) professing the most rabid jingoism and religious intolerance of Islam ...It's really a sort of political madhouse that has been operating teh same way for circa 1000 years.
"am ready to listen to it , however, don't instert too many moral points in favour of your family as I know many Constantinople stories as well where most moral points are distributed in a different way."
>another "dont","musnt" etc...limits...<
Am I speaking to a Moslem , ?
> Listen Ianus,I UNTIL TODAY ASSUMED YOU LOVE WRITING ME. BUT NOW I SEE A DEEP SORROW ON YOUR LETTERS. IF YOU WANT TO QUIT WHY DONT U? plsease dont hesitate to tell me.<
There is one essential problem with you. You solemnly bring a point that flatters your Tukish superego. I show you how faulty and irrational this point is (e.g. Polonezkoy). Instead of rationally admit you were wrong you NEVER do that. On how many occasions have I experienced that ? But you always tacitly omit the negative evidence which you can't counter... And what shall I think of this insidious and dishonest procedure ? Is it what I shall approve of ? But if it were just this silent ommission and evasio. What is more you find moral and formal reasons to complain of this or that conculsion of mine ... Either face the problems you as Turk HAVE to face or evade them again to live on in your Islamo-Kemalist hapiness.
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