Islambul, Hittite genocide, return of Hittite Turks to Hattusha and back to Turan
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 4, 2009 at 06:27
BERKA AKK wrote :
"It was founded in 667 B.C. by the Greek colonists from Megara under king Byzas , son of Nisos"
>667 bc One day Byzas was going around bosphorus and decide to built a city.so simple.<
Not really. The place was well known to the Greeks from time immemorial. Have you ever heard of Jason and the Argo? These parts had been explored long before and on the Asiatic coast of the Bosphorus there had already been the city of Chalcedon founded in 675 also by Megara. The problem was not 'going around" but choosing the best location in the known region. Byzas was clever enough to realize the Chalcedonians chose a wrong place for their colony. He was right. The father of Alexander the Great besieged it in vain.
> Foundation of a city does not smimiliar to make a football team.<
It is fairly well know to those interested in the subject how the Greeks and Romans founded their cities. It was a religious act first and foremost which included marking the boundaries of a polis (city) and of the temple precincts which was done on a specific propicious day. This day was later celebrated as the foundation date of the city and was preserved with paricular veneration and celebrated by the local people and priests. Hence the dates Herodotus or Thucydides have meticulously collected on the spot and quoted are fairly accurate. Building a temple , in case of Byzantion it was Poseidon's temple as Byzas family claimed to have descended from the god of seas and earthquakes, was accomplished over a longer period, particularly if the temple was more than just a shrine.
After 1000 years the city was re-founded as "New Rome" or "Constaninoupolis" on A.D. 21.04.330.
> There are still new excavations in istanbul historical bases dates back to 7000 years ago.It is the transition point of makind and used nearly 50 000 years.see national geo tv.<
And of course the Turkish archaelogists have already found Turkish DNA there which brilliantly 'supports' state-sponsored theory of Turkish origin of everything, what ?
Even in Rome there are traces of human habitation going back thousands of years before B.C. 753, yet who would call them "Rome" before Romulus?
But again the Turkish archaelogists' only task is to find (or invent if they don't find what they are told to to do) evidence supporting the Turkish theory. If someone dared deny it, he would lose his job and face trumped-up charges of 'denigration of Turkishness' with known consequences. We know how "Turkish science" works, don't we?
"With this argument in mind one can easily kick the Turks out of Anatolia back into the Karakorum desert telling them after the fact "It all depends on historical conditions ... and they have changed , you know."
> Exactly you are right.They had tryed to kick many times and when have enough power will try again.
Yes... these Armenian militarists with their 3 000 000 inhabitants and 29 000 km2 pose a deadly threat to 780 500 km2 and 76 000 000 Turks with no weapons, no real army, peace-loving mentality of their inhabitants, concistent record of Turkish innocence and virtue suffering from defamation ... Add the masses of PKK terrorists lurking everwhere and the 15 000 men strong Cypriote Guard responsible for the Turkish genocide in Cyprus and now opposed by underpaid, unarmed and lax 40 000 strong Turkish army of occupation ... Turkey must be vigilant , the army must get a lion's part of the budget moneys ... The new Turkish slogan is no more 'Peace at yurt, peace at world" but "Less bread, more weapons!!! Higher wages for generals, lower wages for archaeologists! Kick them out before they kick us out!"
"another Grek name "Istanbul" (=EIS THN POLI) with a specific narrow meaning but allegedly better Turkish sounding, was adopted to designate Constantinople"
>This made me to remember sun langage theory.if you like we can discuss it.<
The Turks have their own etymology of 'Istanbul', don't they ? ... Let me see ... it's a dialectical variation of "Islambul" , from "Islam" - you know the dreamland for terrorists- and the Turkish verb "bulmak" - "to find" "to reach", "to achieve" or "Islamı bul" or simply "Find Islam!!!" The name clearly refers to frequent conversions -some voluntary some otherwise - that took place here since this ancient Turkic city of at least 10 000 years came back by bequest to their true owners - the Turks in 1453.
"One could wonder why the Turks suddenly are so fond, appreciative and enthusiastic about the 'lost populations', mysterious ancient nations of the Hittites, the Phrygians while they detest and deny all historical rights to their homes to the historically excellently documented nations of the Armenians and the Greeks"
> I dont want to start a new discusion but if iou like we can.when the turks had come to anotolia said populations had been exterminated hundreds of years ago. <
"Exterminated" ? How well you know what happened "hundreds of years ago"! ... Anyway, if they had been exterminated, then the Turks could not descend from them and ATATURK WOULD HAVE BEEN WRONG which he NEVER was !!! It would be an insult to Turkishness to say so!
>this is another serious subject.<
You keep speaking of 'serious topics' and all of them as you expose them turn out on closer examination to be a miserable farce.
"Turkish historical dogmas according to which Turks are native (sic!) to Anatolia because they descend directly from the Sumerians and the Hittites and the Phrygians. Turkish is after all the pre-language of humanity, both Sumerian and Hittite are of Turkic origins and modern Turks are 'legitimate' heirs to these populations, as Ghazi Kemal taught."
> Continental human migration due to various reasons is comon in history. Origins of american natives almost proven to come from various parts of asia through bering sea. Anyway origins of all humans ofcourse can reach up to one language. <
What you are driving at are not general anthropological considerations but a justification for the farcical jingoistic Turkish theory of Turkish supremacism and Turks as the originator of all civilization. Anyway, go on if patriotic anti-scientific Turkish nonsense makes you so happy!
> From a different point of view there has been some unproven evidences about the return of a oguz turks to anadolia back.<
If "unproven", then it's no 'evidence', I'd presume. But if it is, then I'll rather call "a fairy tale" "an unproven history". Conjectures are quite legitimate unless they so grossly offend common sense as Turkish pseudo-historical fantasies do.
"Return" ? Around A.D. 1071 ? ... afer overruning the Gaznavid and encroaching upon the Abbasid and Fatimid caliphates? ... Interesting return ... after how many millenia?...
>who knows they had been kicked before from anatolia .and they escaped from a extermination work... <
"Native Turks" in Anatolia "before" their return to enter their ancient inheritance ... all thanks to escaping from an "exterminatation work" ?... all according to "the unproven evidence" ,of course, which is now the certainty in the Turkish national consciousness ...
Before that the Turks believed in the miraculous flight of the porphet from Mecca to Jerusalem and his splitting the moon (aren't Turkish astronomers still looking for the evidence of it?). But now they have another blithe miracle -that of a happy return of miracuoulsy saved Hittite-Seljuks to their ancient home around Iconium ... But imagine that those Hittite-Turks back at home are dreaming now of returning and taking inheritance of another homeland of theirs - Turan! ... But where haven't the Turks got their homeland and inheritance to claim ? ...
What a comedy of errors ... with a racially and religiously happy end !
> As far as i guess you dont want to enter into this subject.<
Why? I start liking the modern Turkish fairy tales. I found their ancient ones very boring and disgustful instaed ...you know this zoophilia where Ashina impregnates a she-wolf at least ten times to produce the heads of the main turkic tribes ... Now we have the noble Turkish-speaking Hittites and Phrygians escaping the Hittite and Phrygian genocides by the Armenian-Achean-Medan invaders and then returning home to restore justice, take back their ancient inheritance and impose peace and happiness at home and in the world and eventually to produce the superhuman super-turk ATATURK as the last emanation of all the sublime qualities which the pan-human Turkic civilization has ever produced ...
Waiting for more of your bedtime stories with impatience ...!
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