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Ataturk was NOT Christian/Jew, he MAY have been a Sabetian

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Submitted by Ra'anan (Israel), Dec 11, 2003 at 07:33

Esimsek's comments may not be as strange as they seem. While doing research on the false messianic movement of the Sabetians, Ataturk's name came up quite frequently. I made mention of his Jewish roots, since Sabetians are technically Jewish, to one of the prime ministers or presidents of Israel (don't remember who, maybe Weizman?). Sabetians STILL exist in Turkey & interpret qabbalah in such a way that they want to overthrow existent religions for a more mystical type. There are claims that this was done through Sabetian import to Europe (through the evil man, Jacob Frank & his frankist movement). Ataturk, if he WAS a Sabetian, was SUCCESSFUL in turning Turkey into a SECULAR country. Did Jacob Frank's movement, which reportedly hooked up w/many SMALLER, movements promoting secularism, but obviously not because of the Sabetian ideology, have any influence in pushing Victorian doubts in religion, resulting in a more secular Europe? Sabetian's were, reportedly, quite successful in undermining Jewish orthodoxy through such personalities as, SURPRISE, Mendolsohn (!!!), Solomon Schechter (!!!) & Abraham GEIGER (!!!). As radical as this may sound, the company that these three men kept was NOT as ideologically PURE as later "historians" (respective revisionists of their own organizations) would have people believe.
I think that Islam will conqueor Europe AND America simply through the demographics of a high birth rate. They are more serious about their beliefs than Christians & are willing to suffer much more for their ideals. 09/11's horrors were accomplished when Al-Qa'eda was LESS sophisticated. They are growing in sophistication & they will surely surprise the West. Even on a democratic level, if Muslims become a majority in any particular Western country, Western ideals, ironically, will not allow them to turn such countries into more Islamic states (unless, say, the supreme court rules on separation of relig. & state, yet STILL such countries will probably become much more conservative).

Ra'anan in Jerusalem, Israel
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