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Blaming the victims of the Armenian Genocide

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Sep 24, 2007 at 20:14

More real gems from our dear CB

I do not blame any victims, it is Turks who are blaming, I only state what they say.

So why do you repeat the nonsense of the Turks

First of all I absolutely do not support any Turkish claims that Armenians rebelled or committed treason to the Ottoman empire before the Genocide began. Armenian started to resist only after Genocide had already begun and only in some places as Musa Dag or Van.

Do you blame the Armenians for any from of revenge?I would not.

Turks used as pretext some raids of Armenian guerillas from the Russian territory in late 1914 - early 1915, however it cannot be counted as serious argument, since 1) these Armenian guerillas were the most part Russian and not Ottoman Armenians and attacked from Russian territory 2) Turkish response was absolutely disproportional to any danger, imaginable or real, that any Armenian armed groups could pose to the Ottoman Empire. Turks killed or expelled Armenians not only from the front zone, but from almost all the territory of Anatolia. So that there are absolutely no excuse for Turkish actions.

As I said to you I'm not intereted in the least in discussing with your likes the Armenian Genocide but what you are saying here is that we had the Genocide and then we had some revenge by Armenians so the Turks cannot say the Genocide was the result of attacks on wannabe Turks! If you don't get this point I will consider you to be beyond help! So are you beyond help?

It is understandable that Armenian volonteers who came with the Russian army to Eastern Anatolia during 1916-1918(i.e. when the Genocide was already mostly completed) or those who took the Kars region during 1919-1920 treated local Muslim populations very badly.

Do you blame them? I don't!

However this cannot be called protection of Armenians from genocide since there were practically no or little Armenians in those areas.

And where did i say that? It is called revenge it is very human and it is known to happen

This Muslim Turkish or Kurdish people who lived in those areas and were killed by Armenian volunteers could also be counted as of victims.

True but it was not a genocide. Your argument here is bogus

Of course some of them may have participated in the Armenian Genocide but others certainly not. Again, seeing from perspective of that time the wrath of Armenians irregulars and their revenge seems quite justified, however some people nowadays could have other opinion.

And since Turkish government tries to suppress all the information about Armenian Genocide and sufferings of Armenian people, most of Turks do not know nothing about it and refuse to believe, and every time when you try to speak to Turks about the Genocide they would shout back "It is Armenians who were killing us!" and start to count horrors about atrocities committed by Armenians on Turks. I heard myself such talks several times.

The why do you keep repeating this nonsense and blame the victims of such atrocity?


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