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To Aamir Ali: Your inability to refute my points is AMAZING

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in response to reader comment: Plato...Your understanding level for Islam is AMAZING

Submitted by Plato (India), Sep 23, 2007 at 02:52

>>I can simply say that you have tried your level best to find errors in Quran..but unfortunately the errors you mentioned indicate the level of understanding you have..I cant help it.<<

Aamir Ali it is not that I have done my level best to find errors, the Koran is so full of errors that they jump at you from the word go. I notice that you have not been able to refute any of the comments I made on the verses you threw at me. Finding errors in the Koran is as easy as ABC, no great mental effort is required.

>>Allah dont need your certificate..According to our belief ..Allah is judging our acts not you or me judging Allah.<<

It is not my business to give out certificates of existence to what I believe and know is a phantom of Mohammed's imagination. Have you asked yourself who apart from Mohammed certified Allah's existence?? You and me did not judge Allah, Mohammed judged that Allah exists and claimed he spoke to Him through an intermediary. If you don't see fake stamped all over Mohammed's certificate, I won't argue, you are welcome to believe in a spurious document.

>>Anyways see you on judgement day..i am sure we will meet there and will realize who was right or wrong because at present i cant see any arbitrator between us..<<

The great consolation Muslims have, the judgment day they have been promised. They will be laughing at us unbelievers being dragged screaming to hell while they amuse themselves with wine and women in paradise. I have no hesitation in granting you that vicarious pleasure.

>>Please read this

6:92 This is indeed a Blessed Book We have sent down, confirming what was (revealed) before it, so that you may warn the town which is the Mother of All Towns, (i.e. Makkah) and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they take due care of their prayers.<<

The phantom who wrote this Book is saying that it is a warning for the people in Mecca and those around it. So why do YOU, sitting in far away Pakistan take it seriously. It is not meant for you. The Phantom also says in many verses that it was revealed for the Arabs in the Arabic language (14:4, 22:2, 41:44). The Phantom is right as since it is written in Arabic the Koran is best understood by Arabs. He did not realize that people who spoke other languages would abandon their own heritage because of the abject fear of the threats contained in it and would also become His slaves and kill in His name. A big bonus for the Arabs.

[6:93] Who is more unjust than the one who fabricates a lie against Allah or says, ―Revelation has been sent to me‖, whereas no revelation has been sent to him, and the one who says, ―I would produce the like of what Allah has revealed.‖ If only you could witness when the unjust are in the throes of death, and the angels stretch their hands (and say), ―Out with your souls. Today, you shall have your punishment, a punishment of humiliation, because you have been saying about Allah what is not true, and have been showing arrogance against His verses.‖

What if someone else comes and says exactly what this verse says in Urdu ? Will you believe the version in Urdu since you understand it better than Arabic. Who will be able to write a verse similar to the one in Urdu?

This verse is trying to terrorise by trying to picturises the throes of death when angels tear out the souls of unbelievers, as though believers do not suffer the throes of death. What kind of picture do you get of this god who claims to be the most merciful?

Again Allah's confusion is manifest here. He says today, i.e. the day their souls are torn out of their bodies they shall suffer punishment and humiliation. In other places the Koran says that the punishment has to wait for Judgment Day. Or is Allah talking about the punishment of the grave where even after they are dead they get pummeled by angels as Allah is too impatient to wait for the end of time to inflict His punishment??

[6:94] You have come to Us all alone, just as We had first created you, and you have left behind you what We had bestowed on you, and We do not see your intercessors with you - those whom you claimed to be (Our) partners in (managing) your matters. In fact, all ties between you are now severed, and all that you presumed has totally failed you.

Here is Allah mocking the soul who is now in His power about the other gods the poor soul had worshipped. Isn't this a funny scene. Allah knew before He created the poor soul that he/she was meant for hell. What kind of sadistic pleasure is Allah deriving from mocking the soul.

Regarding unseen..i would like to assure you that according to our faith you will see angels moments before you die..(the unseen) but you will not be able to come back to life to verify to your friends..Whenever you see angels that will be last moment of your life..you will then recall me definately ..

Like Allah you also seem to be deriving some anticipatory pleasure in imagining the angels tearing out my soul.

You have left out one detail for me to know the moment that you think will terrify me no end. How will I know I am seeing angels as you have not described them to me. If you can give me a description I will definitely remember you and your warning. Your warning will haunt me forever in hell.

Aamir Ali, you never seem to take me up on any of the points that I raise. You take a completely different tack in answering my posts.

Let me list just a few of the points you have not answered before I also say goodbye.

1. The errors that I pointed out in the Koran.

2. The horrors committed by Muslims in India as revealed by Muslim historians.

3. Why countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are breeding grounds for terrorists (jihadists, freedom fighters to you). I gave you references to the hatred that is taught in your schools.

4. The pot calling the kettle black in denigrating idol worship when Islam itself has many aspects of such worship. You mocked Hindu beliefs, and I showed you equally ridiculous ones in Islam.

5. You wanted to use logic in our discussion and I showed you using simple logic why Allah is not all that He claims He is.

6. Your claim that Islam is a target of other religions when I showed you clearly quoting the Koran that Islam targets and denigrates other faiths.

7. You have no answer to the fact that Islam did not banish slavery but banished much lesser evils like alcohol and usury.

8. You have no answer to why if the Koran is unalterable its meaning/interpretation varies from translation to translation and interpretation to interpretation. What is the point in only preserving the words if the meanings are always in dispute.

>>Good Bye..<<

Is this good bye for now or till Judgment Day? As for me I will not be posting for sometime as I will be in the land of the believers for a few weeks and I don't want to make it easy for those angels to reach for my soul just yet.


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