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in response to reader comment: You must have a different Qur'an than me, Safraz

Submitted by Zaky (United States), Dec 9, 2006 at 20:04

You are taking the verse out of their Quranic and historical context. Some Revelations in the Koran speak to what it means to be a Muslim while other Revelations are specifically given to Mohammed in response to a particular event, like the ones you mentioned in your post. So, reading the Koran without putting the verse in its historical context is an exercise in failure. also the verses in Koran when they were transcribed were not mostly done in a chronological manner.

the verses you mentioned were about specific events when muslims were under constant threat from the mekkans. - not just some daily affair.

Also is not so much a matter of which passages of the Koran you read, but which you ignore as well. in order to understand the complexity and the whole picture of the koran you need to assess the pricise events/ time in which the verses were written , what they meant and the chronological manner in which they were transcribed and put together after the prophet mohammad died.

The Koran almost always refers only to the Meccan idolators, who are characterized by kufr or the ingratitude or nowadys the word change to" unbelievers" by muslims and non-muslims alike. Christians and jews are considered by Islam believers. and thats why muslim men are allowed to only mary jews or christains.

Koran 5:82 says: "Surely they that believe, and the Jews and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness--their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow."

The following verses from the Bible seem to advocate violence: Im not saying it does. i believe that is an interpretation that is different from what people may think, just like in the koran

New Testament: 9:12-15

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

34- Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—" KJV-Matthew10

"He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21)


According to the following verses, the Bible would be the only scripture that contains a God-approved act of suicide in order to kill enemy civilians (Judges 16:26-30).


16:26-And Samson said unto the lad that held him by the hand, Suffer me that I may feel the pillars whereupon the house standeth, that I may lean upon them.

16:27-Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines were there; and there were upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport.

16:28-And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.

16:29-And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.

16:30-And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life .

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