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Submitted by B. Williame (Belgium), Apr 22, 2008 at 04:17

We both are on different sides of the mirror, I do not close my eyes to what you "show" me.

Please have the courtesy to do the same.

The Pope didn't have all the power he wanted, the Jesuits didn't accept his authority (as much as he liked), the Kathars rejected it fully, (the few that remained and both congregations are christians) and there where many other Christians who weren't Catholics at that time. The Pope being but the Catholic church's Patriarch had more power than now, but still limited because of that and many other reasons.

So he thought calling for his beleivers he might be able to achive more worldy power ( a very un Christian choice) but as the Catholics already have apologised for that era (at least they know they were in the wrong) Have muslims already apologised for their past conquest of Spain?

Anyways. Youer on the other side of the mirror, so guess you coudn't have known.

the pope didn't have much power because already at that time the kings of europe, though wearing the cross as symbol (not all), and attending to the church only did so to be able to use the church as a way to control their people. Not from faith. Karel The Great (Karel de Grote) Who ruled a larger empire then either the Romans or Muhammed had, became christian for the support of the church. As always give a soldier a good reason to fight and he'll fight twice as good.

All the use of simple logic, psychology and good tactics. Not much real christian doctrine applied here.

Catholics were possibly as corrupt as the romans were at some times in their history. Still this doesn't apply to all Christians.

No links, no sites, what foundation. I searched the net for Tabuk and found (for now) only islam followers talking about it or reffering to it. No western info found, yet. No Roman info found yet. Guess they weren't there, they had something more important to do, or they fled. But as this is all hard to prove...

Even in the islamic references I found 1 thing of importance :"It was like they never have been there"

http://bijbelaantekeningen.blogspot.com/2006/02/oorlog-en-vrede.html

630 - Battle of Tabuk

632 - Muhammad dies http://al-islam1.org/message/54.htm

The army of Islam arrived in the area of Tabuk in the beginning of the month of Sha'ban 9 A.H. However, no trace of the Roman army could be seen there

sides of the mirror, I do not close my eyes to what you "show" me as these few sites tell me... The proof was 1 sided. And al the rest seems speculation and assumptions.

I hope you understand that being at 1 side of the mirror, you could find it strange that this glorification of Islam power is but 1 sided, no?

I'll tell to God when I meet him I did my best to tell you the Western History and attempt to connect my knowledge of Western History to yours and that you gave up.

Have your peace of mind, that's something personal. Even Jack the Ripper probably had "peace of mind" after all the killings he commited.

Regards,

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