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Submitted by B. Williame (Belgium), May 5, 2008 at 03:48

I'll quote differend parts of what you said and respond to each of them.

"jesus as the christian claim is part of trinity - the father, the son and the holy ghost - and they are all one

in other words the son can be father, the father can be son, the holy ghost can be ....... 9 Probabilities

that can't be, there is only one God who created everything including jesus and the holy ghost."

First, Not all christians claim it, the pope did. and the Catholics took it as a supposed fact. The father, the son and the holy spirit are 1 and the same and undivisible according to them as they are all manifestations of the one true GOD. God can manifest it self how ever it likes, a burnig bush, a firy pillar, so also with those 3. I don't see any logical contradicitons there. And I hope I helped you see this as well.

"jesus was human, who suffered like we suffered, he ate like we eat, he went to toilet and bathed like we do. his exception is he was born miraculously, he is a prophet and he made miracles by the will of God. not by his own accord. Mohammad too had earthly miracles apart from the existing Quran, like jesus, moses ..... and many others had, all these miracles they were able to make by the assistance of God"

Well you are claiming, Jesus to be only human would be the same as claiming Mohammed to be nothing else then a populist and a child molester to Muslims. With that difference that Christians won't revolt for that. He was born miraculously so that gives him an extra point of advantage to Mohammed. As a child he allready performed miracles. While all other prophets did only but at an older age.

Claiming him to be just a prophet again? I mean there is no prophfet before or after him born miraculously Why still putting him in the same level, unless Mohammed coudn't emotionally accept that he was the lesser? When ever people thanked him for the mircales he said it was there "faith" that saved them or they had to thank he's father(God). Also when he was on the cross, he said "forgive them father for they do not know they do". But then in hebrew and the word was Abba... not Allah or god or so, but Abba. which means father if I'm not mistaken. when a prophet calls God, Abba, is he then at the same level as Mohammed who calls God Allah and says his knowledge came indirectly from an Angel called Gabriel? There is a difference in relationship between both and God.

Mohammed didn't refute this difference. but for his own sake kept calling Jesus "a Prophet" A good question to ask, is why?

"when jesus was put on the cross (according to christians) because we don't believe he was crusified.

He said (and this is written in the bible) "God why have you left me"

if it was jesus who voluntarily went to the cross (claimed by the christians to bear the punishment for their sins) - then i don't understand his remarks

if it was someone else then I do understand his remarks."

Let me help you, though I'm not a catholic priest. HE called out in a moment of dispair a brief moment it seems as he shortly after felt the presence of his father again more. He did follow what his father said, but had his moment of doubts. when he was at the olive orchard during he's last days he asked He's Father(God) why he had to do what is to come? and ended with: "Forgive me father, Your will shall be done" I don't think a mere prophet talked to GOD in this manner. Jesus could have followed the path of violence and let his followers fight the romans and Judas who betrayed him, but he did not.

The moment he died, nature unleashed some things, like earth trembling, etc...

The result was the fleeing of most viewers out of fear. Did mohammed get such a sign at the time of his death?

"Quran today is exactly the same as it was when descended on mohammad"

You allready said yourself it was modified, reconstructed and tested....I don't understand why you keep saying this then?

regards,

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